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Cause & effect: riots, rioting and rioters pt 1 (merged) Arc

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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Thu 15 Dec 2005, 16:04:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cynus', 'W')hoa, racial violence in Australia. I can't believe it since all of the rest of human history has consisted in races living side by side peacefully


HA! Good one.

I shake my head in disbelief when the multiculturalists pony up their tripe ignoring 10,000 years of human history and the unchangable way humans are hard wired.

The sad part is, some of them actually belive what they say.
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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby Chocky » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 09:26:21

What is even sadder is the people setting the social agenda usually don't have to deal first hand with the consequences of their failing policies.
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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 11:27:58

Agreed. I call it the "Rule of Inverse Proportionality".

Generally a person's belief in the validity of multiculturalism is inversely proportional to their actual experience with it.

German tourists visiting Miami and Iowa farm girls who move to the city learn real quick how to determine which poor people will eat you and which won't.

They quickly learn that the top 1% they met in college and at summer camp are the exception, not the rule.

If multiculturalism is so wonderful, why do the elites send their children to private schools and live in gated communities? Shouldn't they be immersing themselves in the wonderful salad bowl of diversity to the greatest extent possible so as to lead by example?

I always chuckle when I see media elites rage about how "racist" European Americans are I imagine dropping them off on a dark Detroit street corner one night for a bit of intimate cultural comparison.
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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby Quicksilver » Sun 18 Dec 2005, 13:43:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', 'Y')ou can paint the picture anyway you like.
As far as Im concerned there is only one people who have the right to call themselves 100% pure ozzie: the people whose ancestors got to Australia first, regardless of what society was like at the time.


Humans have been migrating and conquering new lands since year dot. Look at your own country. Which group of invaders do you think you're descended from?
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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby Raxozanne » Sun 18 Dec 2005, 14:18:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quicksilver', '
')Humans have been migrating and conquering new lands since year dot. Look at your own country.


And don't I know thanks to Jared Diamond and his wonderful books detailing waves of expansion, migration and displacement (often accompanied by bloody slaughter) that are a constant in human history.
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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby Novus » Sun 18 Dec 2005, 17:17:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'A')greed. I call it the "Rule of Inverse Proportionality".

Generally a person's belief in the validity of multiculturalism is inversely proportional to their actual experience with it.


The rule Inverse Proportionality is one of those great unspeakable truths. The other great unspeakable truth in this society is that men and women are different. The elites like to pretend there is no difference between white and black or male and female. To the elites we are all a bunch of things (not people) that believe whatever we are told to believe.

When this civilization comes to end, the power of the elite thought police will be one of the few things I will be very glad to see go.
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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby Raxozanne » Sun 18 Dec 2005, 17:40:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')he other great unspeakable truth in this society is that men and women are different.


Really? Where did you learn that, a biology book?
I don't like cultures that emphasize the difference between males and females with ideologies that assign them clearly defined traditional gender roles as it usually ends with women being oppressed.
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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby Novus » Sun 18 Dec 2005, 18:35:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')he other great unspeakable truth in this society is that men and women are different.


Really? Where did you learn that, a biology book?
I don't like cultures that emphasize the difference between males and females with ideologies that assign them clearly defined traditional gender roles as it usually ends with women being oppressed.


No, I learned about it on the farm before the biology books could fill my head with lies. Have you even done any real farm work? Ever tried to lift a hay bail? Or tried to communicate with someone out of ear shot? Men can convey what they want someone to do with a one or two simple hand gestures while a woman would need to talk it though for ten minutes. A Women's brain even more so then her body is different then a mans. If you don't know what I am talking about then that is because you are a woman.

Like it or not post peak women are going to be put back in their place.
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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby eastbay » Sun 18 Dec 2005, 19:04:52

I mentioned this before, but I'm reminded of a passage in the book, Lucifers Hammer. From memory it goes something like this: 'Womens liberation died the moment the comet struck.'

Like it or not there is probably quite a lot of truth to what Novus says.
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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby Aedo » Sun 18 Dec 2005, 22:06:01

IMO it looked the violence was more akin to English football hooliganism than racist - the racial groups represented the different teams and it seemed like they all went out for a good evenings (violent and stupid) entertainment.

The collective IQ of a group is set by the lowest common denominator!
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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby sol » Mon 19 Dec 2005, 01:40:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')MO it looked the violence was more akin to English football hooliganism than racist - the racial groups represented the different teams and it seemed like they all went out for a good evenings (violent and stupid) entertainment.

The collective IQ of a group is set by the lowest common denominator!


Yeah thought it was kinda funny, a lot of the 100% pure "Ozzie's" had a can of piss in their hand, more like 100% pure "yobbo" to me, and the rest of the world watching :lol:
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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby Raxozanne » Mon 19 Dec 2005, 04:22:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '
')No, I learned about it on the farm before the biology books could fill my head with lies. Have you even done any real farm work? Ever tried to lift a hay bail? Or tried to communicate with someone out of ear shot? Men can convey what they want someone to do with a one or two simple hand gestures while a woman would need to talk it though for ten minutes. A Women's brain even more so then her body is different then a mans. If you don't know what I am talking about then that is because you are a woman.

Like it or not post peak women are going to be put back in their place.


Great, I just can't wait until egotistical male chauvanists like you take over post PO; maybe you could reinforce purdah or something or maybe polygamy so you can have as many virgin brides as you can lay your greedy eyes on. You could become the next mohammed and make up another womanising religion to control womans reproductive output and glorify men. Also maybe some of you can become warriors too (supported by your intensive agricultural lifestyle which of course will leave you open to periodic famines and epidemics) and go and beat the shit out of some other men across the way to steal their booty because that's what men do. Intensive agriculture is a bane and thankfully its not the only way but maybe you don't know anything else living on a farm.

Ok so are you going to hit me now to put me back in my place my being a woman and all or will you wait until after PO?

I read a true story yesterday about a lady called Shanti who drank poison and committed suicide because her husband beat her and she had no means of escape, her last words before her death were 'you know what he is like at home'. The chapter of the book was dedicated to her memory as the author knew her personally for over ten years and described her as a gentle and unassuming woman. Unfortunately men will probably oppress women again after PO but it will be just another great injustice left unspoken and unresolved in the history of the human species.

But obviously Im just a woman so what would I know.
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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby Doly » Mon 19 Dec 2005, 04:53:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'A') Women's brain even more so then her body is different then a mans. If you don't know what I am talking about then that is because you are a woman.


I can accept that men and women think differently. But not as different as some guys seem to think. It's more like height: yes, women are on average shorter than men, but you can find plenty of exceptions whenever you look around. I can accept that women on average may be, for example, more talkative, but exceptions abound.

And certainly, any male that tries to suggest that men are superior will get my usual quip: "Of course women are superior! And if you can't see why, it's because you're male."
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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby orz » Mon 19 Dec 2005, 05:37:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') can accept that men and women think differently. But not as different as some guys seem to think. It's more like height


And herein is the issue with race and gender. The fact is that by separating these 2 issues from other differences with terms such as sexism and multiculturalism, it elevates the 2 so that they seem like gigantic differences rather than just something like height. Obviously there are some differences, but they are nowhere near as huge as they are made out to be. Racial pride, gender pride... Do you ever hear about Tall pride or midget pride? It's no surprise that it is often the lower class that leaps to these sides so that they can believe that they are part of something greater than they actually are.
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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby JeeBoomba » Tue 20 Dec 2005, 13:16:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I') mentioned this before, but I'm reminded of a passage in the book, Lucifers Hammer. From memory it goes something like this: 'Womens liberation died the moment the comet struck.'

Good call on that. Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle are two of my favorite sci-fi authors.
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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 20 Dec 2005, 18:08:21

So this thread moved into the male/female realm. I was chit-chatting with a very pretty waitress about her use of the internet. She told me that she likes shoes. She likes to look at pictures of shoes. My thought was that OK, consumerism is a way of life. What does the average Joe or Jane know about resource depletion? Answer: nothing. Who will be mortified by the hard times ahead the most? Women. BTW, I've seen waitresses whose taste in clothing is solid and remarkable. Very pretty. The art of wearing pretty clothing is a feminine thing. Beauty and The Beast. Men will revert to rags easier than women will.
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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby worrier » Tue 20 Dec 2005, 20:00:19

Novus wrote
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he other great unspeakable truth in this society is that men and women are different.


I'm a feminist, but I think that there are differences between men and women. For instance, I think most men are physically stronger than most women. Whenever the rule of law and social controls break down women are going to be in a more physically vulnerable position. Vulnerable to rape, beatings, killings, vulnerable to being forced into what somebody else decides is their place.

Novus also wrote
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ike it or not post peak women are going to be put back in their place


It sounds as if Novus thinks there are only some limited places that women should be. I get the feeling that Novus is looking forward to women forcebly? being put back in whatever he's decided these places are. Novus, are you willing to front up and say exactly what places you think women should be in? Are you looking forward to women being forced back into them?

I don't like other people forcing me to do anything. If the rule of law breaks down that may well happen. It's not something I'd look forward to.
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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 20 Dec 2005, 20:09:41

Worrier, I have a daughter over in Europe playing vollyball. It is the culmination of her dreams, but she is only in her 20s. Hardship is coming, and I've tried to tell her about it. She loves and honors me, but she finds it hard to accept the doomer scenario. This is but a wrinkle on the problem. We are up against it and few can accept it.
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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby Novus » Tue 20 Dec 2005, 23:14:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('worrier', 'N')ovus wrote

Novus also wrote
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ike it or not post peak women are going to be put back in their place


It sounds as if Novus thinks there are only some limited places that women should be. I get the feeling that Novus is looking forward to women forcebly? being put back in whatever he's decided these places are. Novus, are you willing to front up and say exactly what places you think women should be in? Are you looking forward to women being forced back into them?

I don't like other people forcing me to do anything. If the rule of law breaks down that may well happen. It's not something I'd look forward to.


The roll of Man is to be the family breadwinner while the woman is to be the homemaker. The man is the protector and the decision maker. It is said in the bible that women were to be silent in Church. Look at the very word History it means His-Story. There is no Her story. Take a look at the rolls of woman in the so called backwards third world that modernism forgot. When the thin veneer of our civilization melts away with Peak Oil men and woman will revert be their pre-programmed caveman mentality.
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Re: Race Riots in Australia

Unread postby jupiter422 » Tue 20 Dec 2005, 23:23:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', ' ')The other great unspeakable truth in this society is that men and women are different..


Your lying!!!
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