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Record CPI plunge in Nov. - Largest in 56 Years!

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 15 Dec 2005, 13:53:16

I see the economy is rolling right along...lol

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Re: Record CPI plunge in Nov. - Largest in 56 Years!

Unread postby Grimnir » Thu 15 Dec 2005, 13:57:03

I would actually prefer inflation, what with the college loans and all.
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Re: Record CPI plunge in Nov. - Largest in 56 Years!

Unread postby Shadizar » Thu 15 Dec 2005, 13:57:36

I wonder if the drop reflects the huge price cuts being offered to lure holiday shoppers...

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Re: Record CPI plunge in Nov. - Largest in 56 Years!

Unread postby Pops » Thu 15 Dec 2005, 14:12:49

Funny how headlines only mention the core rate when 'volatile energy prices' go up, but those same costs are included when they go down.

Aside from energy and food, prices went up.

And gas is up again this month – certain to not be reported as the headline next month.


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Re: Record CPI plunge in Nov. - Largest in 56 Years!

Unread postby FoxV » Thu 15 Dec 2005, 14:47:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'F')unny how headlines only mention the core rate when 'volatile energy prices' go up, but those same costs are included when they go down.

I noticed that as well.

when all is said and done and the spin doctors finaly run out of breath, the sheeple are going to get walloped with one hell of a reality check a across the side of the head.
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Re: Record CPI plunge in Nov. - Largest in 56 Years!

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 15 Dec 2005, 14:53:25

It's all in the spin, people. They've got to keep that illusion going, at least through the holidays...
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Re: Record CPI plunge in Nov. - Largest in 56 Years!

Unread postby Eli » Thu 15 Dec 2005, 14:57:21

Being a doomer and because I like to wear my black PO arm band everyday there is a way to look at this as a very bad thing.

What this price drop is indicating is not that "wow, consumer prices have really dropped!", it is that if oil and the price of gas goes up in a hurry we are screwed and in hurry too no ky or anything bam!.

This is such a big drop because gas went through the roof then dropped if the price goes back up it gives us a taste of what is to come.

What it shows is just how tied we are to the price of gasoline and how it run this economic engine.

And look out your window right now what do see? the cost of all energy going steadily back up.

That is thing too about PO that really sucks it is not just that oil is not keeping up with supply we have got NG heading south as well.
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Re: Record CPI plunge in Nov. - Largest in 56 Years!

Unread postby GreyZone » Thu 15 Dec 2005, 17:50:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'F')unny how headlines only mention the core rate when 'volatile energy prices' go up, but those same costs are included when they go down.

Aside from energy and food, prices went up.

And gas is up again this month – certain to not be reported as the headline next month.


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Pops is a wise man.

Yes. this is all BS from the spinmeisters. Ignoring energy increases when they go up but then trumpeting energy decreases when they go down is pure hypocrisy.

Of course, I've become accustomed to such from the cornucopians. Witness another recent analysis of the EIA's continuously failing predictions. The IEA (another international body) is even predicting declining oil prices at the same time the world is supposed to find a record $17 trillion dollars to invest in OPEC. Hmmm... weren't these guys economists? Don't lenders like to be paid back and then some? Maybe not in the fantasy world of the cornucopians.
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Re: Record CPI plunge in Nov. - Largest in 56 Years!

Unread postby khebab » Thu 15 Dec 2005, 18:02:52

The CPI includes food and energy prices. Look at the core CPI instead:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he closely watched "core CPI," which excludes often volatile food and energy prices, rose 0.2

talk about spin!
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Re: Record CPI plunge in Nov. - Largest in 56 Years!

Unread postby basketballjones » Thu 15 Dec 2005, 18:29:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
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Aside from energy and food, prices went up.



i think a much better way of putting it is -

aside from everything going up the core cpi is stable.

http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/2005/0624.html ... it's about all the statistical smoke and mirrors the BLS use to hide the real inflation rate.
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Re: Record CPI plunge in Nov. - Largest in 56 Years!

Unread postby Hegel » Thu 15 Dec 2005, 19:17:28

Consumer Prices Index with-out energy and food prices? I'm rather surprised with this concept. Is this part of the 2006 HAAP (hedonic accepted accounting practices) or blunt criminal?

What is next? Leaving out all prices and make the damn thing up?
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Re: Record CPI plunge in Nov. - Largest in 56 Years!

Unread postby smiffy » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 04:54:15

They do exactly the same thing in the UK, they dont include energy or food cost in CPI and they boast that inflation is in the margin they want it to be, which is around 2%.

Which in reality it is not, it's much higher. It's all a big lie, But the average Joe in the streets thinks money grows on trees (well i suppose Fiat money does really grow on Trees) and understands nothing about economics and reduced buying power.

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Re: Record CPI plunge in Nov. - Largest in 56 Years!

Unread postby Doly » Fri 16 Dec 2005, 05:45:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiffy', 'B')ut the average Joe in the streets thinks money grows on trees (well i suppose Fiat money does really grow on Trees) and understands nothing about economics and reduced buying power.


I think the average Joe understands everything about reduced buying power. They suffer it every day! It's the average investor that doesn't have a clue, and has enough money and enough credit cards not to notice that things are going ugly.
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Re: Record CPI plunge in Nov. - Largest in 56 Years!

Unread postby oilluber » Sun 18 Dec 2005, 00:09:51

these kinds of low CPI reports are excellent for
luring foreigners to buy US treasury bills.

Also, I do believe them, there is no wage inflation
and no inflation in the gadgets that we get from china.

So why not have CPI consisting of just those 2 items????.
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Re: Record CPI plunge in Nov. - Largest in 56 Years!

Unread postby entropyfails » Sun 18 Dec 2005, 07:33:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'F')unny how headlines only mention the core rate when 'volatile energy prices' go up, but those same costs are included when they go down.

Exactly.

I also find it amazing that the headlines don't read
"Amazing drop in prices after introduction of Free Gas"

Pump some stored up energy into our economic system, and BAMB! It works better. Hmm...

All of these energy companies that loaned oil from the US Government simply did so by subtracting the oil loan against their proven oil reserves. It didn't cost anybody anything at all. The happy faces returned to the pumps. We all had an oil party.

But the snake had begun to eat the tail. And as the quality of oil declines, the snake head must INCREASE the length of tail it eats each time we throw these parties.

It isn't really the information that economic rags publish, it's the tone. I mean they could have talking head go up there and say, "Well this free oil giveaway did lower prices, like most free giveaways do, but what we really did is rob from our children's trust fund so we could continue to live our lifestyle." I mean, it's the truth, correct? But they don't do that.

If our leaders had a sense of history, wouldn't we see somber speeches apologizing to the children of the future about how necessary it was to do this? It is almost as if the leaders feel that there will be no history to judge their actions but we probably can ascribe this behavior to an unbelievable amount of shortsightedness and an overly selfish nature.

When the strategic reserves reach 10% of their maximum fill, I think we will find that the American way of life ends up being much more negotiable than the leaders have led us to believe. The question is, what side of the negotiating table will we be on?
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