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[Entertainment] Future consoles/video games

Unread postby funzone36 » Thu 08 Dec 2005, 21:51:23

I think Ps3 will be the last playstation. I don't think there will be a ps4. Ps4 will likely come out by 2012. By then, peak oil may have already hit us.

I also think video games with high quality graphics won't exist anymore since they require so much electricity. Some old 2d games might still work with renewable energy.

Man....... I wish we didn't have peak oil. Before I knew peak oil, I anticipated starcraft 2. Starcraft was the best game I played.
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Re: [Entertainment] Future consoles/video games

Unread postby seldom_seen » Thu 08 Dec 2005, 22:08:32

Unless we start right *now* with the full commitment of industry and government to create a 'manhattan project' for ps4, you could be right. Ps3 could be the end of the line.
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Re: [Entertainment] Future consoles/video games

Unread postby Coolman » Thu 08 Dec 2005, 23:47:25

Unfortunitly with the situation we are in we don't need a return to the stone age to make video games disappear. Just one good crisis and it gets ripped off the consumers lists because food is more important that video games.

Same goes for places like Disneyworld, Disneyland and Las Vagas. They are so trivial in the meaning of life and are such luxuries that they will disapear much sooner. Not to mention they all use a crap load of energy.

You can bet that the keeping up with the Jones' attitude will end soon. Which is good. Its time to start being like my neighbor and making a drawer into a grill. This guy is a genius.

Humans all across the world will soon discover that their primate brain is excellent for creating really neat stuff out of other stuff. And we shall be proud of our creations, not just buying stuff to avoid being bored.
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Re: [Entertainment] Future consoles/video games

Unread postby AmericanEmpire » Fri 09 Dec 2005, 00:08:35

Yeah, it sucks that we won't have the energy to play video games in the future. And we probably won't even think about them as we'll be doing all we can just to survive.

I'm trying to get all the playing I can in now before the shit hits the fan. Damn, my life wasn't supposed to be like this. :cry:
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Re: [Entertainment] Future consoles/video games

Unread postby Omnitir » Fri 09 Dec 2005, 02:44:48

I disagree with the hardcore pessimistic point of view. Peak oil is a liquid fuels crisis, not a general energy crisis, so there will be electricity around for quite a while to not only power the refrigerator, freezer, microwave and lights, but also the computer, television, Playstation and what ever else.

If (when) there is a recession, the problem for computer game entertainment won’t be the availability of power, but the availability of new AAA games. High-end game development is expensive thanks to the massive content that needs to be generated for these titles, and even before peak oil most games do not make a profit. During a recession you can bet that most pro developers will close up shop, and the few that manage to remain in business will not be able to afford to make titles like they do now (several years developing unique content), but will be forced to become as efficient as possible, often recycling old game content into new game concepts. Fortunately it is now possible to make reasonable quality games without long development cycles – it’s only the cutting edge stuff that costs the big dollars.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Coolman', '
')Unfortunitly with the situation we are in we don't need a return to the stone age to make video games disappear. Just one good crisis and it gets ripped off the consumers lists because food is more important that video games.

No, I think that is unlikely. The important thing to realise is that people crave entertainment, especially during tough times. Computer games will not go away easily. Game developers themselves find much enjoyment in their art, and even if every AAA game studio in the world goes bust, you can be certain that a new standard of computer game will emerge from the independent scene. Making games today is easier then ever before, and as long as people have computers to create with, and networks to share their creations with, games will exist.

Who knows, maybe with the death of Hollywood, and of the AAA games industry, home entertainment may actually become far better then it currently is. Indy developers/producers tend not to have problems with taking chances on new ideas, unlike the current world of movies and games.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('funzone36', '
')I also think video games with high quality graphics won't exist anymore since they require so much electricity. Some old 2d games might still work with renewable energy.

Ah come on, games take bugger-all electricity to run. You could easily run a PSP (Playstation 2 quality graphics) with solar power, or probably a home computer for a few hours a day just from solar panels. Running the Unreal Engine 3 (Playstation 3 graphics) on your home computer to make indy games is no more electricity consuming then reading this post.

And once again: home electricity does not come from oil.

Cheer up; games will be around for many years to come. Just get over the notion that the latest graphics is necessary to have fun.
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Re: [Entertainment] Future consoles/video games

Unread postby PhilBiker » Fri 09 Dec 2005, 09:45:46

Video games are a dumb way to flush your productive years down the toilet. Go outside and play.
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Re: [Entertainment] Future consoles/video games

Unread postby Falconoffury » Fri 09 Dec 2005, 10:22:30

I take solace in the fact that Dungeons and Dragons and similar tabletop roleplaying games will survive. All you need are paper, pencil, and dice. We can definitely carve dice out of hardwood if the need arises. Chess will also survive. Games will be put back in the hands of the nerdy social outcasts where they belong.

It's ironic that Dungeons and Dragons is in a medieval setting, because we will end up close to a medieval setting.

The future of computers is uncertain. Computers may revert back to their early days of punch cards, gears, and cranks. The challenge will be to maintain the power, materials, and infrastructure that allows us to manufacture transistor boards.
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Re: [Entertainment] Future consoles/video games

Unread postby PrairieMule » Fri 09 Dec 2005, 13:00:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'I') take solace in the fact that Dungeons and Dragons and similar tabletop roleplaying games will survive. All you need are paper, pencil, and dice. We can definitely carve dice out of hardwood if the need arises. Chess will also survive. Games will be put back in the hands of the nerdy social outcasts where they belong.

It's ironic that Dungeons and Dragons is in a medieval setting, because we will end up close to a medieval setting.

The future of computers is uncertain. Computers may revert back to their early days of punch cards, gears, and cranks. The challenge will be to maintain the power, materials, and infrastructure that allows us to manufacture transistor boards.


It may be more like Gamma World(might be before your time)..

Gamma World was D&D in a post nuclear world. I remember in college we use to have all night RISK games. Very intense.

I think the biggest change to gaming in a PO world will not be electricity but rather we will no longer have 4 hours to kill.
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Re: [Entertainment] Future consoles/video games

Unread postby Falconoffury » Fri 09 Dec 2005, 15:48:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')ideo games are a dumb way to flush your productive years down the toilet. Go outside and play.


This is true for most video games, but some strategy and roleplaying games stimulate the mind. I would say some classic games like Populous, Civilization, X-Com and Chess are mind stimulating games. Some games require a level of planning, memory, and critical thinking.

Unfortunately, lately gaming has become as thoughtless as ever. The game companies are trying to cash in on big names and flashy graphics. Graphics have done little to nothing to contribute to mind stimulating games. Many games that have huge budgets within the past few years try to get by on eye candy and the backing of a major franchise (like King Kong, or Star Wars), but the gameplay is nearly always particularly simple and boring. The games industry is an artistic and intellectual graveyard in its current state.
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Re: [Entertainment] Future consoles/video games

Unread postby lateStarter » Fri 09 Dec 2005, 16:08:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think the biggest change to gaming in a PO world will not be electricity but rather we will no longer have 4 hours to kill.


Exactly. Who the f*ck will have time to play video games when you need to spend several hours everyday taking care of stuff like 'food/water/heating'. No one is going to waste energy on playing games.

I know it will be scary for some people to actually have to interact
with other 'humans', but not only will it be necessary, you may actually find it rewarding.

I like(d) playing video games (addicted to AOE), but let's face it, it is just another symptom of a disfunctional society.

Rock/Paper/Scissors - that will be the video game equivalent of the future.
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Re: [Entertainment] Future consoles/video games

Unread postby PrairieMule » Fri 09 Dec 2005, 17:11:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think the biggest change to gaming in a PO world will not be electricity but rather we will no longer have 4 hours to kill.


Exactly. Who the f*ck will have time to play video games when you need to spend several hours everyday taking care of stuff like 'food/water/heating'. No one is going to waste energy on playing games.

I know it will be scary for some people to actually have to interact
with other 'humans', but not only will it be necessary, you may actually find it rewarding.

I like(d) playing video games (addicted to AOE), but let's face it, it is just another symptom of a disfunctional society.

Rock/Paper/Scissors - that will be the video game equivalent of the future.


That's exactly my point! No one in F*ck or any other four letter location can piss away time like that again. Cheap energy gives us more leisure time to do other things. I do think however recreation in general will go away. The Good news of Peak Oil is all forms of energy will go away, including the empty calories of energy around our waistline.
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Re: [Entertainment] Future consoles/video games

Unread postby PrairieMule » Fri 09 Dec 2005, 17:28:13

Sorry! I do NOT think however recreation in general will go away. My bad...
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Re: [Entertainment] Future consoles/video games

Unread postby UIUCstudent01 » Fri 09 Dec 2005, 17:46:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ivilization


Civilization games are a huge waste of time. I don't know if I can say that I've learned anything from that game except bits of history...

(I'm talking about Civ 4 from here on..)

The last game I played, I already knew who the winner was going to be in the end, but it took damn forever for one civilization to roll their riflemen (then, marines, then tanks) across the other countries (something like 3-4 hours after about 4 hours of playtime). Due to the fact that all the players knew how to construct production cities.

It's ridiculous if you play against competent human players. The game is just one big equillibrium with shifts from time to time...

If you play in a free-for-all, getting into a war with someone will tend to make you lose in the long run if both players are somewhat matched.. and most of those game's strategy seems to be having a standing ready army, teching as furiously as possible, and looking out for sneak attacks from the water. The 1st hour of claiming lands and territory I think is way too important... (and landlocking people into small corners succesfully is way too easy (because the defender has an advantage and there isn't siege in the early-early game - then later a city and resource advantage is on the bigger countries side).)

It's really disgusting. But addicting and one of the most time consuming games out there. To get ahead, you usually need to resort to cheap tricks to get the game to go moderately fast (you know like 6 hours).

So in conclusion, civilization is not something you can play as a casual gamer (and be good at). It doesn't teach you anything really applicable to real life... (Unless you want to play a diplomatic role or something. But usually that's like reserved to "Team up?" and trading resources or something) The End.

Edit: I guess it does have a bit of "a level of planning, memory, and critical thinking" to it. But, once you get your feet wet by owning a few computer AI's, and then play with a bunch of friends who also have too much time... you get to see that certain strategies have the most gain versus risk (by being a victim of them and not being able to stop them). Experience is a huge factor. You tend to remember what strategy collapsed your civilization that you spent 3 hours building up...
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Re: [Entertainment] Future consoles/video games

Unread postby lateStarter » Fri 09 Dec 2005, 17:52:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'S')orry! I do NOT think however recreation in general will go away. My bad...


I agree. It may actually become 'real' recreation instead of what passes today for recreation (shopping, video games, movies, - in other words, all the passive/mindless sh*t will disappear). Can you imagine walking through the woods with your family and/or friends looking for mushrooms and wild berries. What would be better for our children - helping your village make a dam or pond, or geting to level 98 on Death Demon V on PS2? Like it or not, reality is on the way. make the best of it!!!
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Re: [Entertainment] Future consoles/video games

Unread postby UIUCstudent01 » Fri 09 Dec 2005, 18:06:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'S')orry! I do NOT think however recreation in general will go away. My bad...


I agree. It may actually become 'real' recreation instead of what passes today for recreation (shopping, video games, movies, - in other words, all the passive/mindless sh*t will disappear). Can you imagine walking through the woods with your family and/or friends looking for mushrooms and wild berries. What would be better for our children - helping your village make a dam or pond, or geting to level 98 on Death Demon V on PS2? Like it or not, reality is on the way. make the best of it!!!


Your vision is just one of post PO. You have a revival of the small town vision...

You also live in Poland, which until very recently had alot of small farmers... your vision might be applicable there as there is alot of people who still have small farms and the experience. But in the United States, it's going to be different, probably very different.

And your vision may not be correct, it could be that nuclear power, wind, and solar combined with coal keep us running with only a recession in the middle of it for a awhile....or not... I've seen too many differing numbers...
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Re: [Entertainment] Future consoles/video games

Unread postby funzone36 » Fri 09 Dec 2005, 18:36:51

I still see action games as a way to train ourselves for the military draft.
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Re: [Entertainment] Future consoles/video games

Unread postby Omnitir » Sat 10 Dec 2005, 08:31:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', '
')Video games are a dumb way to flush your productive years down the toilet. Go outside and play.

Studies show that playing video games significantly enhances analytical and problem solving skills as well as hand/eye coordination. Typically youths that spend a lot of time playing games have a higher chance of ending up in the more intellectual social groups, while youths that spend a lot of time going out and playing often end up involved in drugs and crime.

And it’s not like having an Xbox mean you can’t go play real sport every now and then.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', '
')The future of computers is uncertain. Computers may revert back to their early days of punch cards, gears, and cranks. The challenge will be to maintain the power, materials, and infrastructure that allows us to manufacture transistor boards.

Computers are a high priority, and will be one of the last things to go. If we get to a stage where we can’t build and operate computers, the shit will have well and truly hit the fan. In the near term I think it’s a safe bet that computers will be around for many decades to come.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', '
')Unfortunately, lately gaming has become as thoughtless as ever. The game companies are trying to cash in on big names and flashy graphics. Graphics have done little to nothing to contribute to mind stimulating games. Many games that have huge budgets within the past few years try to get by on eye candy and the backing of a major franchise (like King Kong, or Star Wars), but the gameplay is nearly always particularly simple and boring. The games industry is an artistic and intellectual graveyard in its current state.

Interesting. I pretty much agree. The problem is that because publishers are spending so much money on funding a development, they want to be assured the best chance of making a profit. This means going with what is proven to sell well: gorgeous graphics and rehashed concepts based on past successes.

However I completely disagree with your idea that the games industry is an artistic graveyard. Some of the best artists in the world work on games, and thanks to the large technical budgets that games now have (meaning high poly counts, large texture sizes and fancy lighting/rendering techniques), game artists are free to create vivid and spectacular art that rivals pre-rendered film animation effects. The artistic level expected of games is always rising, and game artists are always improving to meet the demand. Game art is largely unappreciated by the masses for what it really is: the artistic pinnacle of the creative industries.

In fact I think the best thing about games is the beautiful artwork that goes into creating them.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', '
')Exactly. Who the f*ck will have time to play video games when you need to spend several hours everyday taking care of stuff like 'food/water/heating'. No one is going to waste energy on playing games.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '
')No one in F*ck or any other four letter location can piss away time like that again. Cheap energy gives us more leisure time to do other things.

Well historically speaking, the more cheap energy and the more industrialised society has become, the less free time people have, not the other way around. People today generally have less free time then ever before. If society collapses and people don’t have jobs to go to, they will need to find things to occupy their time, and preferably things that do not consume human energy (because that costs food). Video games fits the bill.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', '
')I know it will be scary for some people to actually have to interact
with other 'humans', but not only will it be necessary, you may actually find it rewarding.

You may not realise it, but video games often engage multiple people at once. Playing a game alone in the dark is not the only option. Games can be quite social in the proper setting.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', '
')Can you imagine walking through the woods with your family and/or friends looking for mushrooms and wild berries.

I grew up with computer games, and I also grew up with regular bush walks with my family and friends. People need to get over the stereotype of a gamer as someone with no life who never sees the sun.
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Re: [Entertainment] Future consoles/video games

Unread postby Falconoffury » Sat 10 Dec 2005, 14:37:35

When I said, "artistic" I actually meant in design, not in visuals. I am not seeing many creative visions being applied in games these days.

In civilization, I disagree that the outcome can become decided long before the end. I've beaten the odds before. It's a game that can challenge you to think about your choices.
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Unread postby lateStarter » Sat 10 Dec 2005, 15:16:02

Omnitir,

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou may not realise it, but video games often engage multiple people at once. Playing a game alone in the dark is not the only option. Games can be quite social in the proper setting.


When I was heavily into AOE, I only played online. I had a 'friends' list that easily had over 200 people, from all over the world. Some of them, I even visited with when my travels took me to their part of the world. So, I am not discrediting the social value of PC games. Ok?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell historically speaking, the more cheap energy and the more industrialised society has become, the less free time people have, not the other way around. People today generally have less free time then ever before. If society collapses and people don’t have jobs to go to, they will need to find things to occupy their time, and preferably things that do not consume human energy (because that costs food). Video games fits the bill.


I agree with the part about having less free time in an industrialised society . Even though I was making over $100k/year, I was essentially working 24/7. Always being plugged in and available is not always a good thing. The flip side of living in an 'industrialised' society is that it seems to leave you with not only little free time, but less inclination to use whatever free time left, with interacting with other humans in a physical (as opposed to vitual) way! It is too easy to come home after a grinding day of high-tech work and after grabbing a bite to eat, zone out for several hours in the online gaming world with my 'friends' to avoid having to deal with other 'needy' human beings around me...

While you are busy conserving your 'human' energy, playing video games after society collapses (not sure how) your fellow citizens and neighbors will be busy 'harvesting' anything not nailed down in your area. At the end of the day, you will most likely be one of the top rated players on the planet, but will shortly thereafter starve to death...
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Re: [Entertainment] Future consoles/video games

Unread postby some_guy282 » Sat 10 Dec 2005, 18:08:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'O')mnitir,
Always being plugged in and available is not always a good thing. The flip side of living in an 'industrialised' society is that it seems to leave you with not only little free time, but less inclination to use whatever free time left, with interacting with other humans in a physical (as opposed to vitual) way!


This is an excellent point and another one of the drawbacks to industrialized society. Even before I learned about Peak Oil cell phones kind of disgusted me. I saw them as wasteful. Granted I know cell phones can be a necessity and very useful for some people, but for most people they are unnecessary. They've just become another status object for many people to have to own, and constantly being connected to everything is not a good thing as you point out.

Anyone ever see the movie Cellular? I saw it on DVD. It was actually a nice film. There was an interesting documentary in the special features about cell phone usage and what it is doing to our society. They had projections for the future where cell phone like devices would ultimately be implanted into our brains. No actual audible audio - the electrical messages conveying what is being said would be put directly into our brain and decoded the same way we interpret sounds we hear with our ears. Literally being wired to the rest of the world 24 hours a day. Can you imagine?
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