by oilcanboyd » Mon 28 Nov 2005, 22:03:16
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'I') don't think bankruptcy will help. The reason companies like Toyota don't face the same kind of "legacy costs" as GM and Ford is that other industrialized nations have national healthcare and pensions. We're the only country where people people get healthcare and retirement through their employers. Some large corporations are starting to support universal healthcare now, because they can't even compete with Canada when they have to pay for healthcare and Canadian companies do not.
Well here is a Canadian perspective. A close friend of mine left my work place to a better job at Toyota just down the road here in Canada. I made 60k,..He cleared 110k health care costs the same, most benefits the same.
Bottom line: His hourly wage increased by nearly double what I make. AND we are both Certified Industrial Maintenance Mechanics. Here in Canada the average GM/Ford/D-C "labourer" makes $73/hr, Toyota makes 47.25/hr, the average Tier 3 Auto parts supplier factory worker makes $22/hr, (I make for clarification sakes-25.10/hr) PLUS, the above mentioned people also get 5yrs of 95% of their wages IF they get laid off permanently or temp. I "only" get 22wks of 66% of my gross pay.
Sorry folks, its the unions that got us all in this trouble way back in the 70's. The local GM dealership here in town charges 102/hr labour to fix your GM. Yet the poor low life mechanic only takes home $18.70/hr. No wonder cars aint selling We can't afford them or have them fixed when average wages in town here is ball park 16/hr.
Oh Pensions, we only get what management calls a suppliment pension. I'll let ya know when I retire what I get but other retires have said 600/mnth that after 41yrs service to the company. What does a Big Three retiree get?
The scales of life are out of balance thanks to globalisation and our governments wanting more trade between countries.
I know this is off topic to peak oil but I have to vent when I read this cus I 've been reading a lot of the big three failure. There is a lot more I can say but this is enough for here. Just remember a Shanghia auto worker is happy to go to work cus there is a shower, food, toilet, and warmth where he works at Honda. Don't get me wrong, I dont want to see GM collapse, but I called it way back last year, nick named it the collapse of the Roman Empire!
Regards
Oilcan