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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby EdF » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 10:53:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schweinshaxe', 'N')o, I don't like my job.

I like the work I'm doing but I don't like my job.

Did that make sense?


Absolutely - my last company was like that.

On the other hand, I now like both my work and my job.

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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby foodnotlawns » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 15:11:30

I definitely don't want any solutions to be found. I want modern society to go down in flames. I definitely agree with Ted Kaczynski, and like his tract "The Future of Industrial Society"

I'm not worried about whether Peak Oilers aer "credible" or not to the masses of asses. Peak Oil is one of those things taht's going to sell itself.

My job -- every day is pure torture. The weekends, by contrast, working outside in the quiet, natural setting, is a little bit of heaven. just a taste.

And yet, that's the way we are supposed to live.

It's the swine like Dick Cheney that keep us feeding their machine.

it's for their good, not for our good.

It's bad for us.

It's bad for the ecology.

It's wasteful of resources.

I sure hope there will be no technofix.
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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby orz » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 15:37:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y job -- every day is pure torture. The weekends, by contrast, working outside in the quiet, natural setting, is a little bit of heaven. just a taste.

And yet, that's the way we are supposed to live.


That's the way, YOU want to live. No one is stopping you from doing that. Plenty of land available in America if I remembered correctly. Even if society collapse and you and your white supremacist buddies do succeed in creating a pure white farming society in the US. Guess what? Your kids or their grandkids ain't gonna go for it. Eventually, one of us no good pesky scientific types will pop up and do something stupid like rediscover solar power. Believing that modern society will never rise again is as retarded as believing that its all going to collapse in a couple of days.

If there is any good reason to preserve civilization, it is to keep Family guy going. :P

Screw these rejects fossil, let's do our thing and make them cry.
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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby Jake_old » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 16:41:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')ventually, one of us no good pesky scientific types will pop up and do something stupid like rediscover solar power. Believing that modern society will never rise again is as retarded as believing that its all going to collapse in a couple of days.


I don't like to call people retarded, so i will simply say it is misguided to believe perpetual growth is sustainable in a finite environment.

I hope we heve some technological infrastructure to fall back on, but to find a fix to PO, which is purely a human problem, is to generate a whole set of new problems.

The chief source of problems is solutions. I don't know who said that, its not my words, but it is true.
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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby Jake_old » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 16:58:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')O, which is purely a human problem


Actually, its not is it :oops:
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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby Ercole » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 17:01:09

I hate it ! I'm a clerk in an office with plenty of superiors always showing me contempt or how they are cleverest than me - which they are not - explaining me why they are superior and how life works and how they understand everything better than me - they're french you know ! - and I don't give a damn being the king of the town while they all feel the world can't run without them...

Actually I'm selling my flat and still wonder what am I doing with the money - 120 000 euros.

I think I'll build a small house - 64 000 euros - on a small piece of land I have in the country and only work 3 days out of 7. I'll grow my vegetables, a few rabbits and go hunting/fishing/strolling in my beloved woods, far from any human pricks. Maybe I quit. Maybe I'll start again to write my Brautigan-like little stories and my sad poems. Maybe I'll become an alcoolic. Maybe I'll have some more acid. Maybe I'll kill them all or I'll beat them like they used to. Maybe I'll shoot myself instead. I'm not very interested in the future, I just know I'll be free in a few months from bank credits, big cities, close neighbours, just watching my fruit trees grows, that blue sky with all the extraordinary clouds and the so caressing rain, bathing my face in the light of the moon during cold nights - and that'll be enough for me...

Just don't come to destroy it or I'll eat your liver and fuck your children...
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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 17:15:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ercole', '
')Just don't come to destroy it or I'll eat your liver and fuck your children...
8O Better grow some fava beans, then, and stock up on Chianti.

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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby smiley » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 17:51:39

I like complaining about my job 8)

But seriously. I think my job is pretty cool. I do what I like to do and get paid for it. And once in a while I do something which actually useful.

The only thing which has been bugging me lately is the way the system is clogging up by the people from support.

I have this theory about them.

It all starts when one of them is hired in human resources, project support financial support etc. This guy or girl quickly discovers that he/she is actually pretty redundant. Fearing for their jobs they start thinking about ideas to increase their workload and to safeguard their job.

Then in a sudden brainwave they come up with this idea. They will design their own procedure with their own form. A form which only they can sign. If you have your own form then you are truly indispensable.

They run to the boss en tell them about this idea to 'streamline' the operations. They tell them how they read in this or that magazine about a procedure, how fashionable it is among the blockbuster companies, that it can be implemented in SAP etc.

And then the trouble starts. This procedure is backfiring on them and is quickly clogging up the system overloading them with work. Besides they discover that signing forms is not so much fun as they anticipated. A concerned boss comes to ask why operations are slowing down. They reply that it is not the procedure, but the fact that they have not enough manpower to keep things running. They tell him to hire more of them.

If you have a boss which is susceptible to this kind of crap then you might end up in the same situation where I am now. If I want to order a pack of paper-clips I have to log on to the automated buying system, fill in about four forms, have them signed by three people, and bring them to this guy who will order them for me (Hopefully, because an order for a thousand paper-clips might well up ending as an order for one thousand packs of paper-clips.).

Anyway I guess that anyone who works for a large enough company is familiar with this phenomenon.
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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby Ercole » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 18:27:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ercole', '
')Just don't come to destroy it or I'll eat your liver and fuck your children...

8O Better grow some fava beans, then, and stock up on Chianti.

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I will. I don't wear a mask. And I'm hu-angry...
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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 18:40:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ercole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ercole', '
')Just don't come to destroy it or I'll eat your liver and fuck your children...

8O Better grow some fava beans, then, and stock up on Chianti.

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I will. I don't wear a mask. And I'm hu-angry...
I read where Le Pen's e-mails and phone calls are going throught the roof. Lots of Frenchies are getting very angry. The backlash begins. . .
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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby Jake_old » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 18:50:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f I want to order a pack of paper-clips I have to log on to the automated buying system, fill in about four forms, have them signed by three people, and bring them to this guy who will order them for me


Yeah, I know what you mean. Everything gets ordered by one person, but the other day I found we had about 5 million elastic bands.WTF.

We are prepared for peak elastic bands.
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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby Ercole » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 19:14:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '
')I read where Le Pen's e-mails and phone calls are going throught the roof. Lots of Frenchies are getting very angry. The backlash begins. . .


I confirm. I'm a Sarkozy man and very happy to see him acting a little more with an iron hand, but I've heard myself a huge number of people telling me they will vote for le pen in 2007 - many told me that before the riots, and before the riots these muslim scums were already pissing everyone, burning out our patience.

Example : the arabs complained because in some skiing station nobody wanted to rent flats to them - of course, the year before arabs from the nowadays burning places came on vacation paid by the city and destroyed many flats, insulted the indigenous and behaved on the ski trails like the actual land owners.

Actually, white didn't parked them in "ghettos", white fled from these arab territories under pressure, and jews ran off before because of threats written on walls.
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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby Omnitir » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 19:26:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')My job -- every day is pure torture. The weekends, by contrast, working outside in the quiet, natural setting, is a little bit of heaven. just a taste.
And yet, that's the way we are supposed to live.

Instead of waiting/wishing for the collapse of modern civilisation, have you considered quitting your job? Try hard enough and anyone can find a job that they find fulfilling. This is only true thanks to modern civilisation. And if hard collapse does happen, a few months of hard labour under the sun, with barely enough to eat, and not enough money to pay for doctors and other necessities, and you’ll be wishing we could go back to the good times. And we are not “supposed” to live any way in particular. It’s not written in stone.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')it is misguided to believe perpetual growth is sustainable in a finite environment.

It’s misguided to believe that we live in a finite environment, unless you’re worried about reaching the end of the universe… For all intensive purposes, by the scale of a single human life, we live in an infinite environment. The Earth is not a close system, with massive amounts of energy constantly raining down on it from the sun, and massive amounts of resources both still in the Earths crust, and far more floating around the planet in close proximity to the planet.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')being against growth is not being against life itself.

Yes it is, your just not seeing the bigger picture. All life grows. Not to grow is to die. There is no example in nature of a life form that is in equilibrium with it’s environment – all life must constantly grow consuming available resources until it either finds more resources or dies. This is what die-off theory is all about, and being against growth is being against life and wanting humanity to die-off. There is no such thing as true sustainability.
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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 19:31:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ercole', ' ')I've heard myself a huge number of people telling me they will vote for le pen in 2007
By 2007, the SWHTF, in my opinion. The world as we know it will change in drastic ways. Extremist Politicians will gain favor all over the Western World. The War To End All Wars will begin. Will we move radically to the Left or to the Right? I don't know. But extremism will be the order of the day. A storm is coming.
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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby strider3700 » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 20:00:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', '
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Anyway I guess that anyone who works for a large enough company is familiar with this phenomenon.


I think you nailed it exactly. She works for the federal government In human resources. Everything about what they do sounds like a waste of time and money all to keep those that have been there a long time employed.
shame on us, doomed from the start
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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby Jake_old » Wed 09 Nov 2005, 20:01:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')es it is, your just not seeing the bigger picture. All life grows. Not to grow is to die.


Yes, I am seeing the bigger picture. Cancer growth causes the death of the living thing that is its host.

We can still live a meaningful life without growing as a species.

I don't want the die off. I just think its going to happen.
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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby JeeBoomba » Fri 11 Nov 2005, 14:30:54

Sorry to un-derail the thread, but I really do like my job. It's not perfect, but compared to some of the shit jobs I had when I was younger, my current position is incredible.
I'm kind of curious if there is a correlation between liking/disliking your job and how much career planning a person did. I mean, if you hate your current job, how did you get there? Did you just fall into it or did you make a bad choice somewhere or what?
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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby seldom_seen » Fri 11 Nov 2005, 18:44:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', 'S')ums up the position of most doomers and why many people find PO so hard to take seriously. Doomers often don’t want solutions to peak oil, because they have issues with the modern world. They have issues with growth. How can anyone take seriously a group of people that are against growth, and therfore against life itself?

Omnitir, if you had the most basic understanding of biology (the study of life), you would know that uncontrolled growth in nature comes mainly in the form of gigantism or cancer. Which in most cases leads to death. At an ecological level uncontrolled growth leads to overshoot and die-off. A natural healthy system or organism does not grow infinitely.

Think of yourself, you probably grew until you were about 18 or 20 and then entered a stasis. The problem with industrial civilization is that it is on a course for destruction based on a philosophy of perpetual growth. Being against perpetual growth is not by any means "against life itself," but a view that stands squarely on the side of life. Those who push for endless, infinite growth are death worshippers, as death is the terminus for that type of thinking.

I don't blame you for not understanding these principles, because we live in a very dark age when it comes to understanding ecological principles that govern our lives.
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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby EdF » Fri 11 Nov 2005, 19:09:21

</q>$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JeeBoomba', 'S')orry to un-derail the thread, but I really do like my job. It's not perfect, but compared to some of the shit jobs I had when I was younger, my current position is incredible.
I'm kind of curious if there is a correlation between liking/disliking your job and how much career planning a person did. I mean, if you hate your current job, how did you get there? Did you just fall into it or did you make a bad choice somewhere or what?


I sure didn't do much in the way of career planning (I really like my current position). I did go back to college after 5 years of farm and factory work, then went on to grad school because the prospect for a BA Math didn't much turn me on (Hey, you wanna' program bank terminals)? Spent 16 years at a bad company at which I was a founder and in a variety of positions. Got laid off a bit before the .com crash. This was something like 6 mergers and takeovers later. A real nervegrinder of a place to be in management, or just to work at.

From knowing and working with people in the industry, I fell into my current position within 2 weeks. It's been a charm for almost 6 years now. I'm lucky, but I paid my dues too.

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Re: Does anyone actually like their job?

Unread postby Omnitir » Fri 11 Nov 2005, 21:56:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '
')Omnitir, if you had the most basic understanding of biology (the study of life), you would know that uncontrolled growth in nature comes mainly in the form of gigantism or cancer. Which in most cases leads to death. At an ecological level uncontrolled growth leads to overshoot and die-off. A natural healthy system or organism does not grow infinitely.

Growth in nature isn’t limited to cancer – it’s how all organisms live.

But lets take cancer as a metaphor for humanity, and the Earth it’s host (I’m sure this wouldn’t be much of a stretch). The natural course is for the cancer to rapidly consume its host until it’s host dies and the cancer dies with it. This is perfectly natural. The unnatural course, and what doomers generally want to happen, is for the cancer (humanity) to stop feeding and growing and go into remission. However this cannot be sustained. Either the cancer goes into remission and eventually dies out, or it eats the host until the host dies and the cancer dies that way. Unfortunately there cannot be equilibrium. The cancer cannot magically stay at a small level “living sustainably” off it’s environment – it’s alive and the way life works is to consume. Either life grows, or it dies.

Being against growth, although you may not realise it, is being against life.

Fortunately for this version of cancer (humanity), the cancer has the theoretical ability to sustain its host while it grows and works out how to grow into new areas.

I’m not saying it’s a good thing, but I’m not saying it’s bad either. The idea of perpetual growth seems disgusting to some people, but that’s just how life works. Grow or die.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '
')A natural healthy system or organism does not grow infinitely.

It grows as the resources permit, only stopping as the resources run out. A natural healthy system does not leave available resources untouched. It grows until it’s environment can no longer support it, just as all life throughout time has always done, just as we have done.
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