[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'I')sn't-real has survived only through MASSIVE imputs of US money and materiel, this because Israelis own so much in the USA and are good at transferring US wealth to Isn't-real.

[I_Like_Plants]

It's a lifetime of observations plus a ton of study.

Also, observing that Israel is as artificial as a space station, only kept "aloft" through massive inputs of money and energy and military hardware. There's more open discussion about the fate/future of Israel IN Israel than there is in the US.

Also, Israel is almost like the distilled essence of the peak oil/sustainability problem, any criticism of the oil-dependence of it being tagged as being anti-semitic, or anti-american, or what have you, an indigenous race (Pals) being demonized for merely fighting for their existance, living sustainably (Israeli anti-Pal ranters often focus on aspects of Pal life that are the result of poverty and oppression such as their dirty clothes, skinny, hungry kids, etc. They aren't "nice" like fat, overfed, spoiled Israelis apparently) and as such Israel is like the whole USA vs. rest of the world, oil-dependent vs sustainability, Empire vs local folk-culture problem encapsulated in one small country. This is why Israel comes into discussion so often here I think, it's just such a good example of oil and military hardware dependent hubris.

[Aedo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'A')nd with BILLIONS from the US, and the best of US hardware, you too can win wars against 3rd world countries.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'I')t's a lifetime of observations plus a ton of study.

Also, observing that Israel is as artificial as a space station, only kept "aloft" through massive inputs of money and energy and military hardware. There's more open discussion about the fate/future of Israel IN Israel than there is in the US.

Also, Israel is almost like the distilled essence of the peak oil/sustainability problem, any criticism of the oil-dependence of it being tagged as being anti-semitic, or anti-american, or what have you, an indigenous race (Pals) being demonized for merely fighting for their existance, living sustainably (Israeli anti-Pal ranters often focus on aspects of Pal life that are the result of poverty and oppression such as their dirty clothes, skinny, hungry kids, etc. They aren't "nice" like fat, overfed, spoiled Israelis apparently) and as such Israel is like the whole USA vs. rest of the world, oil-dependent vs sustainability, Empire vs local folk-culture problem encapsulated in one small country. This is why Israel comes into discussion so often here I think, it's just such a good example of oil and military hardware dependent hubris.

[Z]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'P')eople point out the mean, hard things that the Israelis do, and I would point out that their history makes it quite understandable.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DefiledEngine', '
')If the palestinians eventually were to stop their part of the conflict, I see no evidence that they wouldn't simply be pushed further and further, Israel grabbing more and more land (like they've done since the state was formed)

[Specop_007]

Geez, and you think we have to put up with propoganda. No wonder their so damned looney over there. Knowing that this type of stuff airs over there, it should be pretty apparent that the problem isnt some isolated underground movement.

Click

[Jake_old]

Man its always the Atheists that get the bad press. I wouldn't mind so much if religious people just faught among themselves, but its non believers who always get 1st shot at being killed/tortured.

Bastards

[Eli]

Great cartoon!

I saw another one where they had this cute little chicken puppet saying that if they cut down his olive trees he would get a machine gun and kill all the Jews he could find.

[nero]

I don't know if this cartoon was aimed at children or not. But then children in palestine probably are not as protected from violence as they are here so it could very well have been aimed at children as well.

In my assessment this cartoon isn't any different from your poorer sort of American war propaganda that mascarades as entertainment (eg. Red Dawn).

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nero', 'I') don't know if this cartoon was aimed at children or not. But then children in palestine probably are not as protected from violence as they are here so it could very well have been aimed at children as well.

In my assessment this cartoon isn't any different from your poorer sort of American war propaganda that mascarades as entertainment (eg. Red Dawn).

[Jake_old]

I haven't seen Red Dawn, but propaganda like this is similar to that of the west.

During the cold war the baddies were always Russian.

What gets me is that they don't say "I'm going to kill you American/English/Israli scumbag" But just Athiest, I mean why?

Its like killing the cat because the dog shit on the carpet.

[Eli]

Yes it is absolutely equal.

A children's character that is aimed at kids 3 to 10 years old that says he is going to massacre people is just the same as the overt propaganda of movies like Black Hawk down.



Remember GI JOE cartoon that featured war planes and tanks but never actually showed people getting shot it is all the same.
Chick says he is going to shoot people with an AK

moral relativism is sickening.

[Jake_old]

In Afghanistan and probably Palestine, as children are exposed to so much violence, they have violent designs on their toys.

Where our children might learn to spell by repeating 'A' is for Apple, their children learn to spell by 'A' is for Armour or something along those lines.

Since the War it has become less acceptable for children to have toy guns but it wasn't when we were at war.

We do have some violent cartoons.

Not sure what moral relativism is, sorry.

I'm also sorry if the comment wasn't aimed at me, but I would still like to understand.

[Eli]

Moral Relativism

Rather than just say it should be universally wrong for children to be encouraged to blow themselves up out of a desire for revenge and blood lust you guys say it is OK because that is their culture.

So if their culture and society says it is OK to exterminate a whole people and march them into ovens, you shrug and say I guess that is what they do. The origin of the this thinking comes from understanding that man is the measure of all things and there is no right or wrong but thinking makes it so.

[Jake_old]

OK, I've got to go and commute home for 2 hours now.

Just for the record Eli, I think it is wrong to indoctronate children, I like trying to understand cultures, that doesn't mean I think it is right.

To point out that in the same position we might do the same, doesn't mean I think it is right.

If your governmet thought they were about to be invaded or have sanctions imposed, they may have a more violent approach to propaganda. I said may, I'm not claiming to know.

I will read that about Moral Relativism when I am home, but I doubt I'm guilty of it. If I am I will try to address it.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'Y')es it is absolutely equal.

A children's character that is aimed at kids 3 to 10 years old that says he is going to massacre people is just the same as the overt propaganda of movies like Black Hawk down.

[cube]

I don't have too much sympathy for the Israelis, nobody has clean hands in armed conflict. Everybody has a little bit of blood on their hands.

Anyhow - if anybody is worried about Israel...don't. Soldier for soldier they are one of the best fighting forces on the planet, perhaps even the best....much more so then the Americans IMHO. History has shown that at the end of the day 9 out of 10 times it is not numerical superiority that wins battles but superior weapons, tactics, skill, and discipline. This is something the Israelis are light years ahead of the Arabs.

[Eli]

Agreed it is wrong to indoctrinate children to murder regardles of culture context. But it is one thing to do it subtly with video games and it is another to just come out and say go out and kill people.

They both are wrong but one thing can be worse than the other. A cartoon that encourages overtly killing other human beings is not the same thing as watching Tom and Jerry.

[emersonbiggins]

I prefer my propaganda cartoons Dr. Seuss-style:





Seriously, though, he put out some great stuff during WW2.