[EdF]

DJ,

It isn't that bad - but you're the one who has to decide for yourself. I get the feeling from the number of responses you've put up, both here and on other threads, that you're looking for attention. So shit or get off the pot.

My mother killed herself when she was 42. I can't pretend to really understand why, though I can speculate. I was already old enough at 22 not to be as blasted by it as some of my younger siblings. It isn't pretty for the survivors, as I'm sure it wasn't pretty for her either. Guilt - like that kind of attention and memory of you?

We can't control too much of what happens outside ourselves (though some), but we can sure as hell can move our own attitudes more - even if that doesn't seem like much movement sometimes.

You need to do some housecleaning.

- Ed

[duke3522]

Just thought I would add my opinion.

1.Your depressed and you need some help. Depression sucks! It has run in my family for generations, and if you off yourself it will just add to the depression of other family members.

2.You won’t be useless post TSHTF. Anyone can learn to pull a trigger.

3.Get over the stuff about having to step on other people to survive. That’s what humans do.

Sometimes I feel pretty useless myself. I owe a small fortune in medical bills. My back is so bad I have trouble walking and can‘t get a regular job. And my family thinks I’m nuts for putting by a store of food and water. But hey, when TSHTF they will all be at my door eating from my garden.

My reasons for staying alive in the face of what’s coming are pretty basic:

1.I want to see the unfolding of the great historical events that are coming over the next 40 years. Face it, how often do you get a front row seat to the collapse of a civilization?

2.My family will need me. Except for one of my brothers, the rest are a bunch of suburbia living, gas guzzling idiots who won’t even think about the possibility that things may go wrong. These folks are going to need help.

3.I want to create the post SHTF legend of the old, fat, cross eyed slave trader who ruthlessly ruled the ’Swamp Kingdom’ in what’s left of central Indiana.

4.I do not plan on going quietly into the night. If I am to be part of the Great Die Off then I will be taking others with me.

[mgibbons19]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'S')pec_op I think you've finally gone over the edge. But you have to be a toughie don't you cause with all those guns you've amassed if you offed yourself what would become of them?

[Comp_Lex]

Hey DJ, just relax man...

Don't listen to those Doomers. I've visited those Doomsites like "life after the oil crash" as well and I've had my "PEAK OIL IS REAL, O MY F*CKING GOD WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!"-moment as well a few months ago. But it all comes down to this: They can't prove anything. They can't predict the future. They do not control your life, you see? "The future has not been written. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves." You shouldn't worry to much about the future. Just focus on the here and the now.

I'm 19 years old and I'm a student, just like you. I'm in the same position as you are. I'm attending university and I'm learning a lot of stuff. The teachers say things like: "If you can comprehend this stuff then you can do a great deal of things in the future." But I know I never will do "great deal of things" when TSHTF. If I can't be succesfull in this civilisation then I'm going to try to be succesfull in another kind of "civilisation". When I eventually starve to death I want to know that I at least tried to do something to improve my life and the life of others.

Life itself is like a game to me . I see life as a huge adventure game that consists of all kinds of ups and downs. The human race had to endure a lot of stuff in the past and it has to endure a lot of stuff in the future. That's something that won't change. Peak Oil itself is a huge Challenge. It is some kind of Test. That's the way I see it. Everyone has to endure it. Maybe a lot of people are going to do die in the process. But maybe not. Maybe they are going to invent a revolutionary solar panel that can be 100 times efficient than the solar panels we have today. Maybe they're going to invent something that can make Hydrogen cars technological en economical scalabe enough to mass produce them. Over 5 years we could have cars that are way more effecient than the ones we drive today.

You never know what's going to happen in the future. When eventually TSHTF then you should know that you're not alone, EVER. You are already superior because you know that there is a problem. Knowledge is Power. If you just make the right choices than there will always be a chance that you will survive Peak Oil no matter what happens. You do agree with that, don't you?

[mgibbons19]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DamienJasper', 'P')ersonally, I don't see where the whole "future might now be THAT bad" idea comes from. Has anyone else here read Life After the Oil Crash? Is Matt Savinar not a well educated and believable source?

Men stand up when there's actually a reason to struggle and fight. This is a futile effort. Maybe in Teutonic mythology it's heroic. In reality, it's pointless.

[Madpaddy]

And so on and so forth.

Methinks having spent the good part of my morning talking to DJ that he may be an attention seeker. Good thread though and i have had some real laughs. Spec, seldom_seen, mgibbons, Eveltre, holmes, carlins, unknownelement, Aaron, bobcousins, Duke et al you are welcome in my humble abode any time. We had rapid whiskey depletion in my house this evening and I have resorted to making my nightcaps with brandy instead. It's hell I know but I won't be killing myself.

When the Poitin runs out - well thats a different matter.

[elroy]

I think the idea of die off is scary. But on the other hand, exciting.
Have you ever felt like what you do day in day out, a meaningless job, the daily grind, it's not real life. It ain't real living.
I live in a concrete jungle and all I see is my job, my home, and the streets in between them. I go out now and then, but it's all a sham man. Days go by one after another, weeks one after another, years pile up and before you know it, wham! You're in your mid 20s and think to yourself, wtf! What happened to my youth ? ... Wait that's not helping is it..
If there's gonna be a die off, then that's it. But I'm not gonna go down without a fight. Mad max beyond the thunderdome, perhaps. But don't go mad before the thunderdome, max. DJ.

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DamienJasper', 'P')ersonally, I don't see where the whole "future might now be THAT bad" idea comes from. Has anyone else here read Life After the Oil Crash? Is Matt Savinar not a well educated and believable source?

Men stand up when there's actually a reason to struggle and fight. This is a futile effort. Maybe in Teutonic mythology it's heroic. In reality, it's pointless.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'S')pec_op I think you've finally gone over the edge. But you have to be a toughie don't you cause with all those guns you've amassed if you offed yourself what would become of them?

Spear: same to you...sort of.

[Madpaddy]

ROFLMAO,

Sorry, PMS, how could I forget. You're invited too. Wow, if I was DJ I wouldn't be trying to kill myself but my barber would have to die.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'R')OFLMAO,

Sorry, PMS, how could I forget. You're invited too. Wow, if I was DJ I wouldn't be trying to kill myself but my barber would have to die.

[DamienJasper]

Okay, now to try and take this on, one at a time.

I don't personally feel I suffer from clinical depression. I've researched it and know all the symptoms. BUT, crucial point is that you have 'feelings' of hopelessness and despair. Well, this is more than just a feeling, isn't it? Consider that I have facts to base it on. I could honestly care less if my job is 'meaningful' (it isn't) or something like that. I'm an easy to please person actually. All I ever sought in my life is what most colleges students want to avoid; total normalcy. But I'm diverging from the point, aren't I? Having an anti depressant medication would be the equivalent of Nyquil. Take away the symptoms, not the problem.

I think the problem in communication here is our viewpoints on the future. It seems to me somehow that you guys think that since you're in the know of Peak Oil, that you are somehow outside the bubble. As if having the 'outsider looking in' status will somehow have it pass you over or that you are immune to the pain and suffering it will cause. Apparently the difference between us is that I can hear the screams and see the despair. Catch my drift?

PenUltimateMan, seriously just get off the thread. I don't walk around here making fun of everyone else do I? If I was an attention hog, I would have been on the Y2K bandwagon. Note my absence from the board for the better part of 4 months. That's why you need your trip down memory lane. (Y2K doom n gloom was easily repairable for me. The day I learned about it in late '97, I went home to my '96 Pentium computer and checked the clock. Turned out our primitive, bare bones, stone aged computer could rollover to 2099 with the click of a button. No biggie)

Seeing a psychiatrist simply won't help. Making someone understand the problem can be a weeks long process and damned if I wanna drag someone else down. Yes I am depressed, but it's not medical. Little orange bottles with white caps don't fix everything.

I don't see what makes you think having a little garden is going to make you immune to blood and foodthirsty mobs when "TSHTF". I am oh so glad some of you find it so funny.

I'm hearing a bunch of "mights" going on here. Same foolish optimism that is derided it seems.

If humans simply step on others to survive as a consequence of life, I don't see why you feel the need to demonize the president for doing it.

If you're just going to spend your posts telling me that it doesn't make a difference if I die or you don't feel sorry for me, then you're just making my point. I'm not asking for your sympathy. But if I'm going to get honestly substantial feedback, a good place to look would be those who understand the problem, wouldn't it? Go about digging your bunker and stocking your shot gun and leave me the fuck alone if you're not going to actually add anything.

I dunno, I probably missed some posts. I'll scan again in a few. But if "no one can predict the future" how the hell do you know what not having me around may do to my family? Might actually be a positive

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DamienJasper', '
')PenUltimateMan, seriously just get off the thread.

[DamienJasper]

Don't misinterpret what I'm saying; I appreciate any input. But if you're just going to spend the thread laughing at me or telling me to get it over with, then there's really no point. Because it's only what I said in the first place and you can laugh at me in private if you so desire.

(Should have mentioned a long time ago: What exactly is so contrived? It's no more contrived than anyone else's situation)

[DamienJasper]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'R')OFLMAO,

Sorry, PMS, how could I forget. You're invited too. Wow, if I was DJ I wouldn't be trying to kill myself but my barber would have to die.

[Madpaddy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut if "no one can predict the future" how the hell do you know what not having me around may do to my family? Might actually be a positive

[ejacob3]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DamienJasper', 'I') am seriously considering offing myself come the new year. I say that because my (precious) brother is coming to visit Dec 28th. The family will be together and then I can at least make them understand my reasoning. I mean, I am just going to let them know that I'm actually happier not being on this planet right now and I'll see them on the other side.

I really don't see any good reason to stay beyond keeping them from sadness. But if I can alleviate that, then the problem's taken care of, isn't it? The news simply gets worse every day, does it not? Not one good peice of news in months and it only gets worse.

I say if you DON'T want to die right now, then you're the crazies.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ejacob3', 'G')et professional help.

[DamienJasper]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ejacob3', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DamienJasper', 'I') am seriously considering offing myself come the new year. I say that because my (precious) brother is coming to visit Dec 28th. The family will be together and then I can at least make them understand my reasoning. I mean, I am just going to let them know that I'm actually happier not being on this planet right now and I'll see them on the other side.

I really don't see any good reason to stay beyond keeping them from sadness. But if I can alleviate that, then the problem's taken care of, isn't it? The news simply gets worse every day, does it not? Not one good peice of news in months and it only gets worse.

I say if you DON'T want to die right now, then you're the crazies.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ejacob3', 'G')et professional help.