[sushilydv]

eric_b - you are right in your analysis. I would like to add some more points to the topic.





Think Positive.

Psychologists say -- Think Positive.
Politicians say – Think Positive.
Economists say – Think Positive.
Scientists say – Think Positive.
Everyone says – Think Positive.




Arctic ice is melting – Glaciers are melting – Rivers are drying up.
Think Positive.

Fish population in Oceans is down to 1/3 of what it was 100 years ago.
Think Positive.

Pollution levels are going sky-high and valley-deep.
Think Positive.

There used to be millions of members in most species of Animals and Birds. Now they are down to thousands and hundreds.
Think Positive.

Weather is getting more and more irregular and unpredictable.
Think Positive.





Thinking positive is the height of insanity.
Thinking positive is the height of abnormality.


This is a world that has become completely incapable of feeling Pain, Compassion, Remorse and Guilt.
The planet is getting destroyed moment by moment – and people are thinking positive.




Very soon there will be 1 Animal and 1 Tree left in this world – and people will still be thinking positive.

They will be holding Seminars, Conferences and Global-Summits to save the Environment.





sushil yadav

[rogerhb]

And while we're on the topic how about "Hope is Futile".

I find the style of writing hard to read, it's like trying to listen to somebody speaking to you who is wandering round the room staring at you and not blinking.

Or are you supposed to read each line, pause, then say to yourself "Wooooooo!"?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sushilydv', 'T')hink Positive

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '
')I find the style of writing hard to read, it's like trying to listen to somebody speaking to you who is wandering round the room staring at you and not blinking.

Or are you supposed to read each line, pause, then say to yourself "Wooooooo!"?
!

[EdF]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ubject : A thinking mind cannot feel.

[sushilydv]

There is an important point which the human-species needs to understand. People think they can save the Environment by doing something.


We can never save the environment by doing something.

It is overactivity that has destroyed environment in the first place.

Human-species is the only one out of millions of species that has indulged in overactivity on this planet [ And for that very reason the human species is going to exist on earth for the least amount of time]




And it is not Mild Overactivity – It is Excessive Overactivity – Exponential Overactivity.




We cannot save the environment by doing something.

We can only save it by doing less of what we have been doing - much less of what we have been doing.




If we want to save environment we will have to reduce human activity [overactivity] by 99%.





sushil yadav

[sushilydv]

The Illogical Logic of Man.

A few birds have got infected with bird-flu and Man has started killing millions of birds.
They say birds are a threat to humans.

Sometime ago there was Mad Cow disease and Man started killing hundreds of thousands of cows.
They said cows are a threat to humans.

Ever since Man came into existence - millions of humans with infectious diseases have transferred such diseases to millions of other people - and will continue to infect millions more in future.
Such people are a threat to rest of the people.
Man should follow the same logic here and kill all infected people.

It is Man who has killed millions of people in Wars and other forms of Violence – and can kill millions more any time in future.
Man should follow the same logic here and kill all people.


It is the human species which is the greatest threat to humans and all other life on this planet - In fact the human species is the only species which is a threat to all life on Earth.

Man has decimated all Animal and Plant species – polluted the Sky and Oceans - and poisioned every square inch of earth.

In a mere 200 - 300 years Industrial Society has destroyed all that Nature laboriously created over a period of millions of years.


Humans pose the greatest threat to other humans.
Humans pose the greatest threat to all other life on earth.


The so-called Rational and Civilized Man should follow the same logic here - and destroy the entire human race.

sushil_yadav

[sushilydv]

More points on bird-flu.


If you indulge in Factory Farming – If you torture the birds – confine millions of them in prison like conditions – depriving them of Sunlight and the freedom to walk and fly – you are creating an environment for the spread of virus and disease.



sushil yadav

[PrairieMule]

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Ok, you do make some interesting points on how overstimulated we are. When I was 15 years old I went on my first "Walden Solo", 24 hours without a watch or uttering a word in the deep woods of North Carolina. It's amazing how much you can see, hear and feel when you slow down your mind to a enviroment without man made stimuli . You can have every gadget out of the REI catalog and knowledge spilling out of you ears but if you cannot slow down and learn to relax you will hate camping. If they do camp it is within 20 feet of their car and dvds and radios are brought in. I have seen survivalist wannabes out in the woods with their guns, knives, gadgets and in top shape but they never learn to tune in and relax in the outdoors and they are physically and mentally restless.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Trees in the distance, that appear to be motionless, will in fact be seen to be moving and swaying with subtle rhythm if you get still in your mind and watch them.

[Terran]

Interesting post, if someone ever heard of the "Unabomber's Manifesto" google search it. This person who wrote this explans the same concepts about the modern industrial society.

[sushilydv]

Thank you - Prairie Mule, PenultimateManStanding and Terran for your views and opinion.



There was a time when Man used to say –

I work in order to feed my family.
I work in order to put Food on the Table.

Today man is putting a lot more than Food on the Table.

Cars, Computers, ipods, Aeroplanes, Luxury Yatchs, Caribbean Vacations, Palatial Homes, Video Phones, Designer Clothes, Designer Drugs, Cosmetic Surgery …………… The list is endless.


Man is putting thousands of consumer goods and services on the Table.
There is too much weight on the Table.
And the Table has begun to creak.


The more you put on your table the more you take out from the mouths of Animals and Birds.

The more you put on your table the more you kill Animals and Trees.

The more you put on your table the more you kill Water, Air and Land.

The more you put on your table the more you kill Mountains and Valleys.

The more you put on your table the more you kill the Sky and Oceans - the Rivers and Lakes.


There are so many things on the Table that one can barely see the Food.

We need just a few things to live.
And we are making thousands of things.

Billions of people are engaged in making, buying and selling of thousands of consumer goods.


Destroy Shopping Culture.
Destroy Industrial Society.

Go back to Simple Living.
Go back to putting just Food on the Table.


sushil_yadav

[sushilydv]

Lifestyle of Mass Destruction.

Destruction is an inherent feature of Development.

Progress = Destruction of Nature.
Development = Destruction of Nature.


We can have Sustainable Lifestyle.
We cannot have Sustainable Development.

Development can never be sustainable.
Sustainability and Development cannot exist together.


Development and Sustainability are opposites.
Development and Sustainability are contradictory.

Sustainable Living is associated with consuming less – being satisfied with a simple and frugal life.
Development is associated with never ending desires – always wanting more.


Sustainable lifestyle requires Constancy.
Sustainable lifestyle requires Sameness.
Sustainable lifestyle requires Repetition.


Development is associated with Change.
Development is associated with New.
Development is associated with Transience.


Industrial Societies can never be sustainable – When you make thousands of consumer goods you kill Nature - you kill Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land.

A Society that does mental work [city based] can never be sustainable - it will keep on making consumer goods - destroying the environment moment by moment.

Only agriculture-based societies that do physical work can be sustainable.


The term Sustainable Development is like the terms

Stationary Walk.
Silent Talk.
Wakeful Sleep.
Dark Sun
Gentle Torture.
Dry Rain.
Peaceful War.


sushil_yadav

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[sushilydv]

Dear friends,

I have made some additions to the article"Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment". To read the modified article please follow either of these links :

PlanetSave

EarthNewsWire


sushil_yadav

[DesertBear2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sushilydv', '
')Only agriculture-based societies that do physical work can be sustainable.

[sushilydv]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EdF', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ubject : A thinking mind cannot feel.

[sushilydv]

Dear friends,

I had earlier given links to the modified article "Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment". Those links are not working due to some problem. I want to give new links. To read the modified article please follow any of these links :

FreeInfoSociety

ePhilosopher

Corrupt

sushil_yadav

[BigTex]

I think I can make the same points in the original post much more succintly:

1. A "preoccupation with abstraction" can make people feel alienated and anxious. It's like playing video games for too long.

2. I'm not sure emotion is snuffed out by too much thinking, I just think that heavy duty thinking all the time leaves you too tired to explore your emotional state in detail. When I get home at night I think about meditating and untangling my mind but I usually just go to sleep because I am tired.

3. People should slow down and ask themselves the destination they are in such a hurry to arrive at. Living in the moment is a lot harder than it sounds.

Go back and read Walden and you will find Thoreau making the same points about people being in too big a hurry and utterly unable to appreciate the real fruits of life. That was more than 150 years ago.

I'm not sure how this relates to PO, other than that the endless frantic race to do more faster and consume as much as possible are a couple of the reasons that PO is going to be such a shock to the system.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sushilydv', 'T')he fast-paced, consumerist lifestyle of Industrial Society is causing exponential rise in psychological problems besides destroying the environment.


When society switches-over from physical work (agriculture) to mental work (scientific/ industrial/ financial/ fast visuals/ fast words ) the speed of thinking keeps on accelerating and the gaps between thinking go on decreasing.
Man becomes machine.


A society that speeds up mentally experiences every mental slowing-down as Depression / Anxiety.
A ( travelling )society that speeds up physically experiences every physical slowing-down as Depression / Anxiety.
A society that entertains itself daily experiences every non-entertaining moment as Depression / Anxiety.


If we read one thousand-year-old literature we will not come across the term "boredom" - the concept of boredom did not exist in slow societies. There were long gaps between different visuals and between words/ sentences - and people had the ability to experience/ tolerate the gaps - it was normal for them.


1. A thinking species destroys the planet.
2. Animals lived on earth for billions of years (in very large numbers)
without destroying nature.
3. They did not destroy nature because their thinking / activity was limited to searching for food for one time only.
4. Man has existed on earth in large numbers for only a few thousand years / a few hundred years.
5. Within this short period Man has destroyed the environment.
6. This destruction took place because of Man's thinking.
7. When man thinks he makes things.
8. When he makes things he kills animals / trees / air / water / land. Nothing can be made without killing these five elements of nature.
9. A thinking species destroys the planet.


Intelligence Is A Curse.
This planet is on the verge of total destruction.
The cause of destruction is – overactivity.
[Out of millions of species in this world the human-species is the only one that has indulged in overactivity]
The cause of overactivity is – Intelligence.
[The environment would never have got destroyed if Man had been only as intelligent as animals]
Intelligence is a curse - a disease - a disability - an abnormality. Intelligence is the biggest cause/ source of destruction in this world. In fact Intelligence is the only cause of destruction in this world other than natural causes]


After the Industrial Revolution when man switched-over to mental work he began a never ending process of making new machines / things / products-- a process which can only end with the complete destruction of environment ( planet ).


When society switches over from physical work to mental work it starts making thousands of consumer goods. People start calling them necessities. They are not necessities at all - 90% of consumer goods that we see today did not exist 50 years ago.
Today people are making thousands of consumer goods - not because they are necessities - but because they cannot stop making them.


If we live a simple life there is individual suffering - but no largescale destruction of Environment. If we live a consumerist life there is individual suffering - plus largescale destruction of Environment.


As long as cities exist we can neither save the environment nor the mind.


To save the [ remaining ] environment from destruction man will have to return back to physical work [ smaller communities ].
To save the mind from mental diseases man will have to return back to physical work [ smaller communities ].


Psychologists and Psychiatrists are trying to classify a few people as abnormal. They don’t realize the entire Industrial Society is abnormal.


Industrial Society is collectively making millions of tonnes of weapons and explosives [of all kinds] every year – and then it wonders why there is so much violence in this world.
If you make millions of tonnes of weapons and explosives on earth they are going to be used on earth – they are not going to be used on Mars.


Make things
Buy things
Sell things
This is not the purpose of life.
No one deserves more.
Everyone deserves less.
Life can sustain on earth only when everyone has less.


Nature can exist
(1) before man
(2) after man
(3) not with man


Environment can be saved only if we stop production of more than 99% of the consumer goods we are making today.
Environment cannot be saved by recycling. The attempt of an industrial society to save the environment by recycling is like shooting someone 10,000 times and then trying to save him by taking out one bullet.


Time is running out for this planet.

[I_Like_Plants]

There's a good article on this on radicalleft.org - the frantic consumerism, the working 80 hours a week, etc., to consume, comsume, consume. The human body and the earth just can't take it, even if the human mind can be warped enough to turn the human into a consuming machine.

[Newsseeker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'D')o you have a solution/process to alleviate what you see as the problem? I disagree with some of your theories, but overall I agree industrial society is not helping humans or the planet . But merely pointing this out isn't helpful if a solution or alternative isn't presented, and a method/process on how to achieve the solution.