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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Unread postby BigTex » Sun 29 Apr 2007, 11:09:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'T')here's a good article on this on radicalleft.org - the frantic consumerism, the working 80 hours a week, etc., to consume, comsume, consume. The human body and the earth just can't take it, even if the human mind can be warped enough to turn the human into a consuming machine.


It's been said before, but I will say it again:

How stupid is it that the net effect of all of our gains in "productivity" and "efficiency" is that we are now working harder than ever? We are not just working long hours, but much of the mental work that is done today is really high horsespower stuff that can exhaust you in a way that manual labor doesn't. Talk about a treadmill.

How about less consumption and more free time?
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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 29 Apr 2007, 16:06:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sushilydv', '
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We need more intelligence, not less.
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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Unread postby Ibon » Sun 29 Apr 2007, 20:31:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sushilydv', '
')Intelligence Is A Curse. ....Intelligence is a curse - a disease - a disability - an abnormality.



We need more intelligence, not less.


Yes, emotional, meditative intelligence, intelligence that can silence the mind.
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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Unread postby manu » Mon 30 Apr 2007, 01:12:52

How about more, simple living and high thinking instead of complicated living and no thinking.
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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Unread postby Narz » Wed 02 May 2007, 01:21:12

Sushil is a major spammer who hits lots of boards he suspects might be sympathic to him.

His message (and character) fall apart upon closer inspection.

See the ownage here
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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Wed 02 May 2007, 01:39:01

Who cares? He gets points for having the cool name, "sushil". I mean, come on, are there many cooler names?

And industrial society does turn us into un-human robots who pursue the corporatist aims unto death.

Someone in another thread was asking about the real TSHTF, will there really be zombies, come on.... etc. Well I have to tell you there will be, because we are already here, we're the zombies.
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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Unread postby Zardoz » Wed 02 May 2007, 02:09:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'S')ee the ownage here

I looked hard for some "ownage".

Didn't find any.
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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Wed 02 May 2007, 02:31:08

That article has also been published and discussed on Theoildrum.com which is a very respectable site.

Sushil is simply an anti-civilizationist, as I am. It took me a while, but I've managed to lose the idea of "civilization = good".
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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Unread postby Zardoz » Wed 02 May 2007, 03:04:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '.')..I've managed to lose the idea of "civilization = good".

Well, actually, it is good, for a while.

It's comfy and convenient as hell. It can be a lot of fun. The modern version, which comes with countless energy slaves, eliminates all sorts of tiresome drudgery.

I like it.

It's too bad that we're taking it to the point where the biosphere is doomed, along with all the higher life forms that occupy it. Nasty drawback, huh?
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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Wed 02 May 2007, 03:21:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '
')It's comfy and convenient as hell. It can be a lot of fun. The modern version, which comes with countless energy slaves, eliminates all sorts of tiresome drudgery.

I like it.

It's too bad that we're taking it to the point where the biosphere is doomed, along with all the higher life forms that occupy it. Nasty drawback, huh?


Yeah, I was stuck at that stage for a while too.

but it requires that, for me to have a good time in the 1st world, several ppl have to have an utterly shitty life in the non 1st world.

And life is not all that great in the 1st world either - we're told it's good, but no community, insane work hours, etc.

We are truly living inside Stanislaw Lem's "Futurological Congress".
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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Unread postby sushilydv » Wed 02 May 2007, 03:43:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'S')ushil is a major spammer who hits lots of boards he suspects might be sympathic to him.

His message (and character) fall apart upon closer inspection.

See the ownage here



Narz,

You are silly.
You are stupid.
You are an idiot.

Yes - I have posted on many Forums and Blogs. What is wrong with it?

I am not going around posting at random. I have always posted in Forums and Blogs that are relevant to my article.

You have got no common sense.
Spam gets cleaned - Spam gets removed.
Tell me - Mr. Expert Opinion - If my posts are spam how do they exist in forums and blogs?

Quite obviously the Moderators have an opinion which is very different from yours.

Got it?

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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Unread postby Narz » Wed 02 May 2007, 21:04:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'S')ee the ownage here

I looked hard for some "ownage".

Didn't find any.

You obviously didn't look very hard then.
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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Unread postby Narz » Wed 02 May 2007, 21:10:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sushilydv', '
')Narz,

You are silly.
You are stupid.
You are an idiot.

Snappy comeback rhetoric for brains.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sushilydv', 'Y')es - I have posted on many Forums and Blogs. What is wrong with it?

What's wrong with it is that you don't take any hints. Over and over again you've probably gotten constructive critisism and you just ignore it and call those who read your stuff with a critical mind "silly, stupid, idiots".

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sushilydv', 'I') am not going around posting at random. I have always posted in Forums and Blogs that are relevant to my article.

In other words, people who you hope won't argue with you.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sushilydv', 'Y')ou have got no common sense.
Spam gets cleaned - Spam gets removed.
Tell me - Mr. Expert Opinion - If my posts are spam how do they exist in forums and blogs?

Well, on sunfood it didn't get deleted because the mods don't delete anything. Shit, there was porno-spam that sat for almost a week before the mods noticed it. The mods are very hands off on that forum.

I'll repeat the questions I asked you on SunFood here...

Since you have apparently have no interest in raw food (peak oil in this case) or real communication (other than personal attacks) on those who disagree with your messege and/or how you might want to improve it you are a spammer, plain and simple.

I asked you a question. Are you going to answer? What are YOU doing? Is this your sole method of progress? Spreading your message on internet forums (stirring up discussion while at the same time condemning it)? How are you not a hyprocrite? What exactly is the rest of your plan (or is there no plan)?

If you answer all of my questions without resorting to insults I will be highly surprised and impressed.
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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Wed 02 May 2007, 22:07:27

Sushil's writings have also been seriously discussed on theoildrum.com which is 10X the site, content-wise, that this dog and pony show will ever be.
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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Unread postby Narz » Wed 02 May 2007, 22:24:32

sushil is a little bitch, a halfwit version of Ted Kaczynski but without any discipline and/or answers and a raging drive for attention seeking. :lol:
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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Unread postby NEOPO » Wed 02 May 2007, 22:38:48

Uhm like wow.
I do not agree with everything yet perhaps I am just in denial on those things and I do agree with much of it.

Narz dude, just walk away man, bloody nose and all, trust me.

sushilydv - thank you.
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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Thu 03 May 2007, 01:02:37

Narz just calm down - Sushil's stuff has showed up on more than one pretty heavyweight site.

I was a bit mean calling this site a dog'n'pony show - it was, compared to theoildrum, for a while, about 2 years ago it was much more adenoidal than it is now. It does have the advantage of a better user interface - the other site has long, unwieldy threads that not many read once they grow beyond 75 or so posts.

and the two sites share something in common, the ever-excellent and probably smarter than the rest of us put together, Leanan!
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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Unread postby Narz » Thu 03 May 2007, 02:03:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'U')hm like wow.
I do not agree with everything yet perhaps I am just in denial on those things and I do agree with much of it.

I think you sell yourself short. Maybe not though. :shurg:

I think you guys need to work on your critical thinking a bit. Just because someone is anti-civilization doesn't mean they're necessarily coherent. I mean mental ability and physical ability not being able to co-exist (or whatever sushy said, it's been awhile since I read it, I don't plan to again)? Anyone who's ever jogged on the regular knows that's bullshit.

I may not be a perfect human being, but at least I'm not saying the exact same shit I was two years ago and substituting rhetorical diarrhea for human communication and exchange of ideas.

Ever see sushil say (in any one of the forums he's spammed), "hmm, ok so-&-so, you may have a point there, I will examine your idea and use it to improve my thesis. [smiley face]"? I haven't either. I may seem hostile but I follow what works rather than platitudes (even from the best like the Dalia Lama, bless his heart) and hostility often works.

Works for what? To help mofos focus. It's all about focus baby. Focus. Clarity of purpose. Not that I'm any guru. Shit, if I had perfect clarity of purpose I wouldn't be here fucking around in threads like these. But here I am. So I must have a purpose here. Most likely Sushil is not my purpose, he seems too thick at this point (maybe any point) to change in the least. Maybe it's to connect with one of you, maybe it's to trigger a new unconscious thought in my own brain (for me to dream about tonight and wake up tomorrow with in my mind). Who fucking knows.

One thing is for sure though, Sushil is an output only machine (Read Only Memory, as they say in the computer world) and thus incapable of evolution. Please Sushy, prove me wrong baby! I need to be pleasantly surprised ol' buddy. It's been a long fucking time and I'm weary.

With Compassion for All Beings,
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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Unread postby sushilydv » Thu 03 May 2007, 03:59:45

Narz,

You are living in a state of Delusion.

I have a challenge for you.
I repeat I have got a challenge for you.

Go to Forums and Blogs where I have posted. Make two lists. Put all unfavourable comments in one list. Put all favourable comments in the other.

And then post the two lists over here.

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