[Jake_old]

I went into London twice this week and it wasn't so much of an ordeal that it usually is but for the observations of other peoples behaviour.

I had to go and collect a computer to bring back and repair.

On the way in, I saw a man barge a young lady out of the way so he could board the tube first. I would have offered to help the woman but she just seemed used to it!

On the way back, carrying the computer, I got it caught in the gate where you put the ticket through. I bashed my nose against it, which although was embarrassing, it hurt a lot. A guy behind me just pushed at me, as if I was holding him up on purpose. I then had to sit down on the floor.

Along with watching all the escalators and the Lazy race that use them, the electric doors, the illuminated arrival/departure times.

The way we act when we have got all of this luxury. It makes me think we deserve everything we're gonna get. Screw us, we don't deserve compassion.

[rogerhb]

An old joke about women's libbers:

Man holds door open for women.

Women says "I suppose you held that open because I'm a lady?"

Man replies "No, I held it open because I am a gentleman".

I think the turning point was the 80s with Thatcherism, greed-is-good and compulsory two-incomes to get by in the rat-race.

[aldente]

It is just an example how limited our interactions have become..
Don't give up on the human race (yet) as much as her destiny seems deserved. We've come a long way after all and a lot of individual lives have been lived over the last 10.000 years.
Ever wondered why we always see things from the perspective of an individual in the middle of it all rather than from that of an outside "untouchable" observer?
Ever wondered about how your mother of father felt when at exactely the age where you are now?

[Jake_old]

Cool picture

I think we should hold doors open for women, even though they sometimes say fuck off.

What I mean is the rabble culture, like when you try to get on an easyjet plane. They call numbers 1 - 30 and 90 people get up and crowd round the boarding terminal. No sense of each other. I'm all right jack.

Hate going to London, it is a chore because of the intensity of the 'otherness'. My sister knew someone who got mugged outside piccadilly, people everywhere but nobody helped.

Westminster station is just amazing though. I felt like I was in blade runner or something.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedJake', '
')I think we should hold doors open for women, even though they sometimes say fuck off.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedJake', '
')I think we should hold doors open for women, even though they sometimes say fuck off.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'A')n old joke about women's libbers:

Man holds door open for women.

Women says "I suppose you held that open because I'm a lady?"

Man replies "No, I held it open because I am a gentleman".

I think the turning point was the 80s with Thatcherism, greed-is-good and compulsory two-incomes to get by in the rat-race.

[ubercynicmeister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedJake', '
')I think we should hold doors open for women, even though they sometimes say fuck off.

[aldente]

Jesus, and I thought the Americans are in charge of those scenarios. Australia seems to be not what one thinks it is..

[TT]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', '
')Think I'm kidding?

[Antimatter]

ubercynicmeister, either you live in a nasty place or you are letting preconceived notions affect your view. Or both. I've never been told to fuck off after holding a door open for a girl, or anything else you mention. But maybe its just my charms.

[curiousxx]

....men owe women, at minimum, unqualified, impersonal courtesy and respect because they constitute that class of beautiful, feminime creatures who make men's existance in this world bearable, who give birth to and nurture and love our children . . . . . .not to mention that we (men) have failed in no small way to make the world a safe and secure place for them

[Jake_old]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')hey constitute that class of beautiful, feminime creatures

[CarlinsDarlin]

Ludi,
I may be wrong, but I think it's a southern thing. Southern (US) men - at least in smaller towns - are still chivalrous for the most part, and southern women expect to be treated like ladies. Southern belles, so to speak. I certainly do not expect a man to hold the door for me, but I do appreciate it when he does. And like RedJake, I believe in courtesy toward those older than I am. I do expect it from those younger. However, much like customer service, courtesy seems to be a dying phenomenon, at least in the US.
Kathy

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CarlinsDarlin', 'L')udi,
I may be wrong, but I think it's a southern thing. Southern (US) men - at least in smaller towns - are still chivalrous for the most part, and southern women expect to be treated like ladies. Southern belles, so to speak. I certainly do not expect a man to hold the door for me, but I do appreciate it when he does. And like RedJake, I believe in courtesy toward those older than I am. I do expect it from those younger. However, much like customer service, courtesy seems to be a dying phenomenon, at least in the US.
Kathy

[Pops]

I’ve never been to NY or London but I lived in California – where even the rural parts are becoming urbanized.

Car culture is the problem there – the people that want to ban firearms use their cars like battle tanks, wait for someone trying to get on the street and people behind honk like that 20’ they just lost is life and death to them, then outside the car people act like my pigs at the trough.

Get west of the Sierras and you just about faint when the kid calls you sir at Mickey D’s.

My last tagline was “Some people are old fashion because old fashion never quit being right”

My Mom was a strong, independent woman I admire that. I sometimes wonder if women today feel that equality is all it was cracked up to be.

Don’t flame me on that, I’m talking about the things they’ve lost as mentioned here vs. the things they’ve gained.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'M')y last tagline was “Some people are old fashion because old fashion never quit being right”

My Mom was a strong, independent woman I admire that. I sometimes wonder if women today feel that equality is all it was cracked up to be.

Don’t flame me on that, I’m talking about the things they’ve lost as mentioned here vs. the things they’ve gained.

[Guest]

Every once in a while I wait to see if a woman will open/hold open a door for me. After I've held the door for fifty or a hundred women in a row w/o a thank you I don't feel like doing it anymore.

The thing that kills me is people in the stores. They take their card and park it crossways in the aisle and then stand next to it completely blocking the row. WTF. Park your cart on the side and stand next to it parallel to the aisle and the other 200 people walking past you can get through.

[Jake_old]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he thing that kills me is people in the stores. They take their card and park it crossways in the aisle and then stand next to it completely blocking the row. WTF. Park your cart on the side and stand next to it parallel to the aisle and the other 200 people walking past you can get through.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')ver wondered why we always see things from the perspective of an individual in the middle of it all rather than from that of an outside "untouchable" observer?