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Delphi Debacle: workers must work for 1/3 pay!
Re: Delphi Debacle: workers must work for 1/3 pay!
by katkinkate » Fri 14 Oct 2005, 07:12:04
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JoeW', '.')....The average auto worker is standing there in an assembly line doing the same thing over and over again, right? $37/hr for that? Sounds like a job you really could get just about anybody to do, even someone without any education whatsoever....
The average wage would be an average of the values from the lowest wage (probably a cleaner) to the highest (Chairman of the Board/Executive Director of the Company). The worker on the factory floor doing up the same bolt as the assembly line goes past doesn't exist any more .. its done by a series of robots controlled by a central computer. You're more likely to get 80-90% of the workers earning below that average and a few earning well above it.
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Re: Delphi Debacle: workers must work for 1/3 pay!
by Drjay » Sat 15 Oct 2005, 17:09:43
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n 1973, auto workers at Chrysler made $17/hr.
In 1972, I bought a brand new Ford with lots of options for $3,000. I paid cash for it. It would be almost impossible for me to do that same equivalent cash purchase now. Much has changed.
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Re: Delphi Debacle: workers must work for 1/3 pay!
by Snowrunner » Mon 17 Oct 2005, 14:47:39
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nero', 'I') have a real hard time believing the $2/hour figure for South Korea, but leaving that aside outsourcing is a big problem for the UAW. The question in my mind is why are the foreign workers paid so little? How is the fruit of their labour distributed, and why aren't those workers demanding a greater share of the wealth?
Supply and Demand.
There are a lot of people out in those countries who want a job, thus the average pay is cheaper.
Then there is the fact that the cost of living is cheaper there too, again a strike against the US.
Third, the higher value of the Dollar. This translates into MORE than $2/hour for the worker.
I have lived in a couple of countries, and my experience so far has been a 1:1 translation (give or take a bit). Meaning: For what I paid US$1 I paid CAN$1 etc.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he only hope for unionism (and good blue collar wages) in america is an agressive push to internationalize worker's rights. But somehow "globalization" doesn't include the globalization of worker's rights or environmental standards.
Yes and no. Paying them the same won't change a thing, it may still be cheaper to produce there. The only way you could reach parity is if you pay everybody in the same currency AND sell them the stuff at the same price, and that is pretty unlikely.
The "good" thing about Globalization is that it allows the companies to get their stuff cheap (despite transport cost), of course that was not the core idea of the model, but that's how it has turned out.
If the trade is FAIR then everybody wins, as long as it is motivated by greed alone though and unrestricted almost everybody loses.
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