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THE Avian (Bird) Flu Thread Part 2 (merged)

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Re: A (Bird) FLU Epidemic will quickly take care of Peak Oil

Unread postby Daculling » Thu 06 Oct 2005, 09:34:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('richardmmm', '
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Alcohol wipes or the waterless hand cleaner, or eave n a spray bottle with bleach solution to take on public trips.

Others?


If millions are dieing... I am not going to leave my house until it dies down. Have a lot of food and water on hand, you should for other reasons as well...
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Re: A (Bird) FLU Epidemic will quickly take care of Peak Oil

Unread postby evilmonkeyspanker » Thu 06 Oct 2005, 10:03:12

If it kills 500 million people, I will start believing in god and I will go back to church this is given the fact I am not one of the 500
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Re: A (Bird) FLU Epidemic will quickly take care of Peak Oil

Unread postby Pops » Thu 06 Oct 2005, 10:04:12

Preparing for the Coming
Influenza Pandemic
By Grattan Woodson, MD, FACP

http://fluwikie.com/uploads/Consequence ... deOct5.pdf

27 pg pdf

First step in preparing: make a will. – Ouch!

Lots of practical info, thanks to tropicalfish on TB2k for finding it.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
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Re: A (Bird) FLU Epidemic will quickly take care of Peak Oil

Unread postby Golgo13 » Thu 06 Oct 2005, 10:29:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('auctionmonster', 'I')f it kills 500 million people, I will start believing in god and I will go back to church this is given the fact I am not one of the 500


So you'll either be dead or manage to make it and be believing in god for nothing more than the simple fact that you are alive to do it. Is that correct?
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Re: A (Bird) FLU Epidemic will quickly take care of Peak Oil

Unread postby Pops » Thu 06 Oct 2005, 11:00:26

Here are a couple news sites,

I like this one, no comment just reports to the International Society for Infectious Diseases http://www.promedmail.org/pls/askus/f?p=2400:1000

CDC
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/index.htm
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email C4 QUICK!

Unread postby KevO » Wed 12 Oct 2005, 13:03:33

http://www.channel4.com/news/special-re ... jsp?id=891

How you can get involved in a Channel 4 News Special.

On Wednesday October 12, Channel 4 News will be devoting a large part of the programme to bird flu, examining the extent of the risk faced by the UK, and finding out just how well prepared we are for it spreading to humans.

Health experts reckon that's inevitable, and believe millions of people worldwide could die.


Not everyone's convinced, and you can be sure there'll be some pretty lively argument in the studio.

We want you to take part as well, so please e-mail us from tonight with the questions YOU want answered about bird flu. We'll do our best to answer them on Channel 4 News.

Email the team at news@channel4.com



Read some of your emails here

Were planning to get half a dozen chickens to keep free range in our garden in November. Should we do that? Will it put our two young children at risk? - Alastair Reid.

It appears that we are largely dealing with uncertainty, but how real is the risk that the disease will mutate passing from human to human. - Sam Bennett (Swindon)


We have an 11 month old child. Should we worry about his ability to cope with bird flu? Is he at a greater or lesser risk than an adult? Is there anything preventative we can do?- Eric Barfield. Surrey

What's the plan to maintain essential services like power, water, rubbish collection? And, how safe will the water be? - Susan Hennsler

Are the Government going to request an immunisation programme throughout the country? - Rakesh Rawal

When millions are quoted as being at risk of dying, who are we talking about? The old, the young, the poor, those in cities, in which countries? Is it anticipated that certain groups would be more susceptible? - Zak Ireson

What drugs would be used to treat a human form of the virus and where can one obtain them? - Lexie Stoddart

How does a virus mutates from an animal to humans? How much time is needed for the virus to do so? - Gildas Pinot
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Re: email C4 QUICK!

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Wed 12 Oct 2005, 13:05:29

Your link doesn't work and you know you aren't supposed to start new bird flu threads.
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Re: email C4 QUICK!

Unread postby KevO » Wed 12 Oct 2005, 13:18:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', 'Y')our link doesn't work and you know you aren't supposed to start new bird flu threads.


It does now and yes I know but this is urgent and it can be deleted/merged in an hour.
Could save lives, just give it an hour if poss.
no worries if not
http://www.channel4.com/news/special-re ... jsp?id=891
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Re: email C4 QUICK!

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Wed 12 Oct 2005, 13:44:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')re the Government going to request an immunisation programme throughout the country? - Rakesh Rawal



The best question. That's when I know it's time to go back to Budapest. Update your passports people and get your open ticket.
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Re: email C4 QUICK!

Unread postby bobaloo » Wed 12 Oct 2005, 15:50:14

Damn you, I thought this was a great buying opportunity for prep supplies!

That's a confusing subject title.
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Re: email C4 QUICK!

Unread postby rogerhb » Wed 12 Oct 2005, 16:06:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')re the Government going to request an immunisation programme throughout the country? - Rakesh Rawal



The best question. That's when I know it's time to go back to Budapest. Update your passports people and get your open ticket.


This is actually an appalling question, it should be "Is the Government....."
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Fortunately not a Norwegian Blue

Unread postby rogerhb » Fri 21 Oct 2005, 21:50:57

Parrot that died in UK quarantine diagnosed with avian flu

No guv, it's resting, it's tired after a really long squawk.
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Media coverage of Peak Oil

Unread postby Flow » Sat 05 Nov 2005, 14:36:33

With all of this talk about the upcoming Bird Flu pandemic everywhere you look you would think there would be more coverage of Peak Oil.

With regards to the Bird Flu, experts have predicted that if the Bird Flu were to mutate to the point that it could be transmited from human to human that about 150 million people would die worldwide. All this by the way from the fact that 60 out of 120 that have gotten the bird flu have died.

The media said the same thing about SARS, West Nile (etc but not to the extent of Bird Flu). Why? Because fear sells. The more people that are worried about Bird Flu, the more they will be glued to Fox News and CNN to see if it has mutated today.

Now Bird Flu could wipe out 150 million people. The ramifications of Peak Oil according to the experts on that subject is that 4 billion people could die of starvation. Talk about fear - they could make way more money from telling people Peak Oil is right around the corner than they could with Bird Flu.

So my question is, why do we almost never hear a word about Peak Oil when 4 billion people are going to die sometime soon (time to be announced at a later date)?
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Re: Media coverage of Peak Oil

Unread postby Starvid » Sat 05 Nov 2005, 14:56:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Flow', 'S')o my question is, why do we almost never hear a word about Peak Oil when 4 billion people are going to die sometime soon (time to be announced at a later date)?

Because 4 billion people are not going to die.

And well, Peak Oil has got quite a lot of media attention lately. Just search the forum.
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Re: Media coverage of Peak Oil

Unread postby Andrew_S » Sat 05 Nov 2005, 15:15:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Flow', 'T')he ramifications of Peak Oil according to the experts on that subject is that 4 billion people could die of starvation. Talk about fear - they could make way more money from telling people Peak Oil is right around the corner than they could with Bird Flu.

So my question is, why do we almost never hear a word about Peak Oil when 4 billion people are going to die sometime soon (time to be announced at a later date)?


1) It would be bad for business, Wall St., mass consumersism and what underpins that (head to the office grindstone etc.) and oil companies when they are perceived as sunset industries (those that remain pure-play).

2) It might be bad for certain political agendas, e.g. "liberating" certain countries, mass immigration.

3) It'll probably be a long drawn out process, so people might fear initially but then keep asking "Are we there yet? Are we there yet?" (Thanks to Pops for his great old sig line). And then get bored and think it was bunkum in the first place.

Mainly (1) and (2) I think.
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Re: Media coverage of Peak Oil

Unread postby GrizzAdams » Sat 05 Nov 2005, 15:23:20

I think the reason peak oil hasn't become a completely public issue is, because it wouldn't do anything good for the market. Except a few niche companies that make wind, solar power and such. I think that peak oil rationality might stop most people from mass consuming, and therefore hurting the fragile market.
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Re: Media coverage of Peak Oil

Unread postby coyote » Sat 05 Nov 2005, 15:46:17

It's because most people simply don't believe in such a concept yet. It's unimaginable to most. Very intelligent people I know dismiss the matter out of hand. I don't suppose journalists are much different.
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Re: Media coverage of Peak Oil

Unread postby elroy » Sat 05 Nov 2005, 20:21:02

A little fear will drive people into escapism, consuming, a lot of fear will drive people batty.
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Re: Media coverage of Peak Oil

Unread postby Flow » Sun 06 Nov 2005, 12:58:59

There is a lot of money in fear in the news. And being how there are two sides to the debate, it could be presented in manner that was not as "doomsday-ish." But it could be presented in a way that was enough to scare people into thinking about the consequences of their actions and get people to start conserving.

Could the overall message not be "Peak Oil is a reality and have a very strong chance of coming in the next 20 years, if we don't fix this here is what could happen (insert doomsday scenerios)."

This would get people writting their congressmen, put the pressure on auto manufactures to develop ultra-conservative vehicles, etc....
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Re: Media coverage of Peak Oil

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 06 Nov 2005, 13:55:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Flow', '
')Could the overall message not be "Peak Oil is a reality and have a very strong chance of coming in the next 20 years, if we don't fix this here is what could happen (insert doomsday scenerios)."



Maybe, but people really seem intent on ignoring the issue. It's getting some pretty darn mainstream press, but most folks are seriously NOT INTERESTED.
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