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Re: World Dollar crash?

Unread postby abelardlindsay » Tue 04 Oct 2005, 10:09:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')on't even think of putting your money in Russia. If you make too much you'll wind up in jail or on Putin's S*** list just like Berezovsky and Khodorkovsky.



Dunno? RTS up 70% this year? Lukoil gone from $28.80 to $60.60 or +100%? Russian Federation bonds up 15%? The ruble has lost just 3% of its value against a stronger dollar, but is up 9.5% againt the euro? There are worse places to invest than Russia. China was your example. Mind you don't mix business with politics. :)


Yeah, you're right! Thanks for pointing that out. Come to think of it, Russia will probably be a great investment. They're well on their way to becoming the world's energy hub and they really have the industrial and science capacity and China connections to exploit their resources effectively. However, they do default on bonds. They do renationalize companies occasionally. They have somewhat politicized tax enforcement. It's a high return market with a lot of potential but you should be aware of the political situation. For instance you could have bought this winner :Yukos which went from 60 to 1.5 because the CEO rubbed Putin the wrong way (Thought it might be a good contrarian play right now). If you want to invest in Russia you must follow politics and who is buddies with Putin and who isn't or one day you'll find that the whole board has fled the country the CEO is in jail and the assets of the entire company are frozen.

The U.S has plenty of coal and Uranium but far too many radical environmentalists and lawyers willing to work on their behalf for free to do anything but be a deer in the headlights during the coming energy crisis. There are a lot of people, especially on this board, who would rather see the whole country collapse and half the population starve to death than build another nuke plant. It seems that even Bush can't get anywhere with regards to energy policy with a Republican congress, senate and supreme court.
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Re: World Dollar crash?

Unread postby MrBill » Tue 04 Oct 2005, 10:38:09

By the way, if anyone is interested you can read a different take on where to invest in Russia written by Eric Kraus & crew at Slovlink Securities. They cover a lot of second tier investments. More than the so called Russian Blue Chips like Lukoil covered by everyone else.

They are very pointed in their criticisms when they have them.

Eric Kraus was on CNN yesterday in case anyone caught him? In any case, Truth & Beauty can be had by contacting

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'r')esearch@sovlink.ru


p.s. I have no affiliation to them and only read them out of interest. For me, Russia is a great would of, should of, could of investment, but too rich for my blood right now. Cheers.
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Re: World Dollar crash?

Unread postby midnight-gamer » Sat 19 Apr 2008, 23:49:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ast forward two years from now. Oil is still $65 due to that lower demand and new supply coming online. America is still running a budget and trade deficit, but to pay for it interest rates are higher again and the dollar is weaker still. Say 1.600 and 72.50 or another 15%. I think at this point the Arabs are very unhappy about pricing oil in dollars and the Japanese are no longer keen to buy US debt. Then interest rates have to go significantly higher causing a recession or stagflation or the US would have to take the unbelievable step of issuing debt in euros or yen. This is the end game.


It's been over two years since this was written. What I would like to know, will the US take up the Euro or Yen to pay off debt? Sounds unbelievable, but many thing do these days!
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Re: World Dollar crash?

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Sun 20 Apr 2008, 09:25:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'A')fter you, for example do you agree or disagree with what I said in the part that of my post you didn't quote or comment? But even humble ignoramus like me has read enough to know that those figures are not generally worth the paper they are printed on, OPEC reserves, GDP, rigged inflation numbers, rigged employment numbers, PPT rigged stock exchange etc., the whole field of mainstream economics of market fundamentalism that almost categorically ignores the empirical methodology and intellectual honesty that is required for a field of science.


there are economists and there are economists.

e.g. John Shoven & George Leland Bach, 2 of my professors in college. they would look at rigged inflation numbers and say, "hey ! these are rigged !"

if memory serves, when some admin. needed a Stanford prof. to put a seal of approval on some BS economics wise, they hired Boskin.

not all economists are in the vein of bought-and-paid-for science.
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Re: World Dollar crash?

Unread postby dorlomin » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 08:26:04

The FT discusses the possible eclipse of the dollar hegmony and its results.

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Hmmm Europe is going to loss alot of trade to the US especialy in the big high tech areas, Arianespace, Airbus and EADS amoung others will be the losers. But on the other hand the old Germans have lived with strong currencies since the 70s at least.

Id guess a two or three year recession is better than 'locking in' (to use the trendy British term) inflation and price instability. They will attract more foriegn investment and capital to soak up the credit 'crisis' (there must be a bloody better term than subprime crisis or credit crunch) in there financial institutions leaving them in a stronger long term position.

Better to take the hit on the dollars "begger thy neighbour' devaluation and still be able to buy raw materials like say ooooh oil on the world market.

Just some thoughts folks.
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Re: World Dollar crash?

Unread postby manu » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 09:55:44

The $ crash is just the beginning. The dominos are in place and will all fall. It is a world wide crash. Don't think it can't happen. What's left of the oil will be fought over and blown up.
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Re: World Dollar crash?

Unread postby manu » Fri 25 Apr 2008, 10:08:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '
')Well, yes, Mr. Bean, however, I am not an economist, I am an investment banker and an energy trader. I put my money where my mouth is everyday, so I have to understand micro- and macroeconomics as well as finance and the time value of money. Not to mention foreign exchange trading and money markets.


OK, and in a such job it is important to keep the happy go la la land singing the happy go la la tune. And best tactic to convince others is to be a la la believer oneself.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Please feel free to attack any of my arguments with your own facts & figures as well as ideas.


After you, for example do you agree or disagree with what I said in the part that of my post you didn't quote or comment? But even humble ignoramus like me has read enough to know that those figures are not generally worth the paper they are printed on, OPEC reserves, GDP, rigged inflation numbers, rigged employment numbers, PPT rigged stock exchange etc., the whole field of mainstream economics of market fundamentalism that almost categorically ignores the empirical methodology and intellectual honesty that is required for a field of science.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')However, flinging insults does not impress me.


If you take my refusal to be impressed or intimated by pompous titles and job desdriptions as an insult, that is your choise. In that case I cannot but recommend less pompousness and more honest soul searching so that your fragile ego would not feel so easily insulted. :)


Investment banker! You mean you put other people's money where your mouth is everyday. Now I know why you can't understand petrodollars posts. Are you part of that, as you quoted last year, sub-prime "bump in the road." At least the junkie bank robbers are up-front about what they do, you hide behind the title, investment banker.
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Re: World Dollar crash?

Unread postby MrBill » Mon 28 Apr 2008, 05:43:47

You're right, Manu, it sucks to be me! ; - ))
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