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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby Daculling » Thu 29 Sep 2005, 08:56:43

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The National Anthem (which nobody knows or can be arsed learning) is the closest we've ever got (and then, we only use it in special assemblies, etc.)


I can't remember the last time I heard our anthem outside a baseball game. I don't think it's ever used at a football game.... why? Canada has a better anthem anyway.
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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby Specop_007 » Thu 29 Sep 2005, 09:10:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mgibbons19', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'A')merica land of the free, and home of the brave.

Just don't be old, poor or sick.

I thought the quote on the statue of liberty was

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')ive me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door


We don't actually take that seriously you know. It was a present from the French after all.


:lol:

I dont care who you are, that there is funny.
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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Thu 29 Sep 2005, 09:20:35

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The National Anthem (which nobody knows or can be arsed learning) is the closest we've ever got (and then, we only use it in special assemblies, etc.)


I can't remember the last time I heard our anthem outside a baseball game. I don't think it's ever used at a football game.... why? Canada has a better anthem anyway.


They're not common, like maybe once or twice a year, at most. And not every school does it, either.

It's just a thing they tend to do after the school song. And we never bother with the second two verses... :lol: (yes, fellow Aussies, there actually IS more than one verse!)
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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Thu 29 Sep 2005, 10:41:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')aybe those homeless should go down to Wal Mart and look for a job......


Do you have any concept of how WalMart treats their employees. Let alone how the turn a blind eye to their vendor child labor practices.
http://www.wakeupwalmart.com

WalMart drives out small businesses so they can pay minimum wage for minimum work.

That's not capitalism, that's totalitarianism.

Talk about corporate welfare. Halliburton gets no bid contracts to clean up NO while they DON'T have to pay a living wage to the people doing the work. Even Republicans from NO are upset that local businesses are not able to bid on the cleanup/restoration.

Those that defend WalMart and corporate welfare are an enemy of the people. All people. IT's too many of you that allow WalMart and corporate welfare to exist. For now, you figure it is only hurting the poor. But it will nip you in your ass one day too.
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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby NeoLotus » Thu 29 Sep 2005, 11:53:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'H')ow many are "repeat offenders" as it were?
Its one thing to need a helping hand every so often. Quite another to abuse it.
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Corporate welfare?
Corporations pay taxes, corporations employee people.
Maybe those homeless should go down to Wal Mart and look for a job......
Then they can make a effort to not be homeless. :-D


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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 29 Sep 2005, 13:59:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peaker_2005', 'I')t's just a thing they tend to do after the school song. And we never bother with the second two verses... :lol: (yes, fellow Aussies, there actually IS more than one verse!)


Waltzing Matilda?
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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby TITAN » Thu 29 Sep 2005, 18:39:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'A')merica land of the free, and home of the brave.

Just don't be old, poor or sick.

I thought the quote on the statue of liberty was

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')ive me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door



Actually that quote is on a plaque on the base of the statue. The thing she is holding just says the date in roman numerals...
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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby mrniceguy » Fri 30 Sep 2005, 05:33:23

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The US public has been transformed into a dumbed-down herd of childish "consumers" who are unable to act in, or even understand, their own interests and are regularly fattened with flattery and manipulative marketing images. All the years of electronic fantasy have left the public unable to comprehend how real power is being exercised in the US.

Any news or information that upsets people is moderated or filtered out....can't disturb the herd with too much reality. Human milk cows respond to stress by making fewer retail purchases and we can't have that.


That is the best description of the general population I have ever read, I'm sure it applies to the majority of people in the UK as well
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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby Teclo » Fri 30 Sep 2005, 05:47:03

1876.

>We didn't have government welfare then. Or a New Deal.

No, just slavery and sharecropping - capitalist feudalism, which is where the US is heading and what all the libertain market enthusiasts don't realise is that unless they are one of the elites its where they will end up too - but will have supported said elites just long enough to help their agenda.

Ultimately the death of the middle class is what is feared, if they are to be enslaved and still support the elites there's only one way - civil war, the government has begun this already with its liberal demonisation.

Luckily this won't work - too many people have taken freedom to mean more than just freedom to accumulate

Its strange, I watch Fox news a lot and I like many of the presenters, they are not the mouthpiece of the establishment they think they are. You can't be if you are human

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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby MJ » Fri 30 Sep 2005, 05:58:38

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That is the best description of the general population I have ever read, I'm sure it applies to the majority of people in the UK as well


...and to extent, to the majority of the rest of western civilization. All I have to do is look around to see this confirmed.
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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby medicvet » Fri 30 Sep 2005, 07:33:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('duke3522', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'A')merica land of the free, and home of the brave.

Just don't be old, poor or sick.

I thought the quote on the statue of liberty was

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')ive me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door



So we can make Soylent Green out of em!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


You shouldn't eat the sick..you might get sick yourself! yeesh! :p

Seriously, though, I know that the days in which I can count on my 'gubmint handout' (disability from social security and the VA) as some would label it are numbered, but there is not much I can do about it. My daughter is looking into law enforcement, and my son is interesting in architecture, and wonders why I keep trying to gently suggest that he look into something else..he is 13..I don't think that his job will be in any kind of demand at all when he graduates college. In the meantime, I save what small stores of food I can, and pray, and read all I can get my hands on to make me self sufficient and even though I have no experience at all, will be planting my first garden come spring. Wish me luck. I'm gonna need it.
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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby mgibbons19 » Fri 30 Sep 2005, 08:02:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('medicvet', '.')..and my son is interesting in architecture, and wonders why I keep trying to gently suggest that he look into something else..he is 13..I don't think that his job will be in any kind of demand at all when he graduates college.


As long as he's into architecture, get him started on the New Urbanist movement. You don't have to tell him we need walkable cities because there won't be oil. 13 year old doesn't need that kind of reality check. But NUists sell themselves, and if he gets turned on, great.

We are going to need visionary ppl who can envisions human organization without 1990s autos if our future is anything other than MadMax.

Get him started on Suburban Nation, it lays out the problem and the new standards, adn should provide a bibliography to get him rolling on other literature.
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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby eric_b » Fri 30 Sep 2005, 08:59:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The US public has been transformed into a dumbed-down herd of childish "consumers" who are unable to act in, or even understand, their own interests and are regularly fattened with flattery and manipulative marketing images. All the years of electronic fantasy have left the public unable to comprehend how real power is being exercised in the US.

Any news or information that upsets people is moderated or filtered out....can't disturb the herd with too much reality. Human milk cows respond to stress by making fewer retail purchases and we can't have that.


I completely agree with this. Well said.

I was talking to a friend the other day about just this. It seems each successive
generation is becoming increasingly 'dumbed-down' and infantile. The simpsons generation.

It's gotten harder and harder to have a conversation about anything of substance with
many younger folks. They look at you funny. Much more interest in pop-culture,
religion, including new-age goo, angels and other vacuous stuff like that.

There seems to be a strong anti-intellectual trend, especially in the US.

It's not good, as it seems the latest upcoming generation is going to be ill-equiped to deal
with the huge challenges on the horizon, or even comprehend them in the first place.

More reasons to be a doomer.
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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby medicvet » Fri 30 Sep 2005, 09:03:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mgibbons19', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('medicvet', '.')..and my son is interesting in architecture, and wonders why I keep trying to gently suggest that he look into something else..he is 13..I don't think that his job will be in any kind of demand at all when he graduates college.


As long as he's into architecture, get him started on the New Urbanist movement. You don't have to tell him we need walkable cities because there won't be oil. 13 year old doesn't need that kind of reality check. But NUists sell themselves, and if he gets turned on, great.

We are going to need visionary ppl who can envisions human organization without 1990s autos if our future is anything other than MadMax.

Get him started on Suburban Nation, it lays out the problem and the new standards, adn should provide a bibliography to get him rolling on other literature.


Oh I most definitely haven't been talking to my 13 yr old about peak oil, or even done more than just suggest that he not get too stuck on what he definitely wants to make his career yet, although I will say he has been interested in architecture for a few years now. But I will look into this New Urbanist thing you are talking about, and get him to check it out too. thanks.
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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby RdSnt » Fri 30 Sep 2005, 10:22:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('medicvet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mgibbons19', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('medicvet', '.')..and my son is interesting in architecture, and wonders why I keep trying to gently suggest that he look into something else..he is 13..I don't think that his job will be in any kind of demand at all when he graduates college.


As long as he's into architecture, get him started on the New Urbanist movement. You don't have to tell him we need walkable cities because there won't be oil. 13 year old doesn't need that kind of reality check. But NUists sell themselves, and if he gets turned on, great.

We are going to need visionary ppl who can envisions human organization without 1990s autos if our future is anything other than MadMax.

Get him started on Suburban Nation, it lays out the problem and the new standards, adn should provide a bibliography to get him rolling on other literature.


Oh I most definitely haven't been talking to my 13 yr old about peak oil, or even done more than just suggest that he not get too stuck on what he definitely wants to make his career yet, although I will say he has been interested in architecture for a few years now. But I will look into this New Urbanist thing you are talking about, and get him to check it out too. thanks.


Move him towards engineering, he has to go that route anyways. You can't get directly to architecture, it's like a phd track with a core skill needed first.
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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby Doly » Fri 30 Sep 2005, 10:25:59

And we are always going to need homes. I don't think that architecture is such a bad skill post PO.
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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby gnm » Fri 30 Sep 2005, 10:34:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', '
')It's gotten harder and harder to have a conversation about anything of substance with
many younger folks. They look at you funny. Much more interest in pop-culture,
religion, including new-age goo, angels and other vacuous stuff like that.


The proper pronunciation of new-age is to say it without a pause and more of a "u" sound in the end.
(hint -Rhymes with sewage)

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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby Paul64 » Fri 30 Sep 2005, 10:58:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') was talking to a friend the other day about just this. It seems each successive generation is becoming increasingly 'dumbed-down' and infantile. The simpsons generation.


Or consider the cartoon-rock band Gorillaz - a pretty scary and accurate depiction of much of modern youth. Their music (Damon Albarn actually) is actually quite artisitic and creative, compelling in a way but depressingly barren and empty at its core - a reflection of the 'real' world such as it is.
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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby Teclo » Sat 01 Oct 2005, 18:24:24

Collectively that might be true
But individually most people are aware they are being anally shafted but are unable to do anything about it
These used to be the people who were ignorant but when things start going to crap only the dumbest of the dumb listen to the government
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Re: The Ugliness Begins

Unread postby elizabethlea » Sat 01 Oct 2005, 19:09:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')It's gotten harder and harder to have a conversation about anything of substance with
many younger folks. They look at you funny. Much more interest in pop-culture,
religion, including new-age goo, angels and other vacuous stuff like that.

There seems to be a strong anti-intellectual trend, especially in the US.

...

More reasons to be a doomer.


I'm 16, my teen friends were the ones who first talked to me about PO. But then, we are pretty much the brainy "losers" of our year.

I'd rather be me than one of the "in-crowd". At least we(me and friends) are thinking, are aware of what is going on around us to the best extent that we can be. But these idiots who give teens a bad name can't go beyond the mental level of sex, popularity, clothes & other material goods, more sex and music. Oh and drugs too. *yawn*

My point is, young people are pretty much the same as adults - lots of sheeple, and a few who aren't. Just because teens today are growing up to be shallow consumers doesn't mean they are somehow mentally defective - take a look at who/what is raising them! Shallow consumers, and/or the T.V.

That's my perspective anyway.

edit: btw other teens give us dirty looks too.
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