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THE Entropy Thread (merged)
by nero » Sat 18 Sep 2004, 13:23:33
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n fact, Tom DeLay, one of our illustrious leads in the House, does not believe in evolution. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to pass a low making the second law illegal. It's unamerican.
I just had this awful thought of some state passing a law requiring that highschool physics teachers give equal time to The Perpetual Motion Theory if they plan to teach about entropy.
The original post gets my vote for the post of the month.
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by MonteQuest » Sat 18 Sep 2004, 14:39:35
VOR,
Reasoned eloquence. Isn't it funny how the mind can move about so when faced with it? I am impressed. And posting it somewhere other than at my thread was a stroke of genius! Those who rush here to get their delusions re-enforced come away somewhat feeling conned, I imagine. But hopefully, provoked to seek greater knowledge and awareness of this, oh so vital issue.
For those of you still not buying it, I offer the following quote from my thread:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')any have tried to get around the Entropy Law with other cosmic theories, but all were invalidated by scientific experiments. Of all the laws of nature, the Entropy Law holds the supreme position. The only perpetual motion machine ever created has been man's continual denial of this reality, and the implications for science, philosophy, and life on this planet.
Albert Einstein once mused over the which of the laws of science deserved to be ranked as the supreme law. He concluded by making the following observation:
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A theory is more impressive the greater is the simplicity of its premises, the more different are the kinds of things it relates and the more extended its range of applicability. Therefore, the deep impression which classical thermodynamics made on me. It is the only physical theory of universal content which I am convinced, that within the framework of applicability of its basic concepts will never be overthrown.
Reasoned eloquence. Isn't it funny how the mind can move about so when faced with it? I am impressed. And posting it somewhere other than at my thread was a stroke of genius! Those who rush here to get their delusions re-enforced come away somewhat feeling conned, I imagine. But hopefully, provoked to seek greater knowledge and awareness of this, oh so vital issue.
For those of you still not buying it, I offer the following quote from my thread:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')any have tried to get around the Entropy Law with other cosmic theories, but all were invalidated by scientific experiments. Of all the laws of nature, the Entropy Law holds the supreme position. The only perpetual motion machine ever created has been man's continual denial of this reality, and the implications for science, philosophy, and life on this planet.
Albert Einstein once mused over the which of the laws of science deserved to be ranked as the supreme law. He concluded by making the following observation:
Quote:
A theory is more impressive the greater is the simplicity of its premises, the more different are the kinds of things it relates and the more extended its range of applicability. Therefore, the deep impression which classical thermodynamics made on me. It is the only physical theory of universal content which I am convinced, that within the framework of applicability of its basic concepts will never be overthrown.
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by Guest » Sat 18 Sep 2004, 16:01:08
MonteQuest,
To be perfectly blunt, I didn't even bother to read your thread on entropy. I already know all I need to know about the "entropy-dieoff" gang comprised of people like you, Richard Heinberg, Jay Hanson, Matt Savinar and others: I am not about to waste my time or energy on a bunch of scientific mumbo-jumbo designed only to scare people!
Rather, I choose to invest my time in coming up with solutions. For instance, here is another one to go along with the possibility of freezing about 2 million people per week and sending them off into low-earth orbit:
Build a Dyson sphere around a star and beam the energy to Earth! Then you can take that energy and use it to convert water into hydrogen. In order to build the hydrogen infrastructure, the president can set up work camps of dissidents to do the construction for free. And if there aren't enough of them to do the job, we can get people from the third world to do it. Of course, there is the problem of not having enough fresh water to complete this project, but we will cross that bridge when we come to it. Sure, there are some minor technical problems to overcome, but hey nothing worth doing was ever easy!
Here is an example of the type of person we need to emulate: Henry Ford. Ford saw that at the turn of the century, New York was faced with a major problem: all the horse-sh-t that was piling up around New York City presented a major ecological problem. If that isn't an example of a problem with entropy, I don't know what is.
So he mass produced the automobile and the problem was solved!
Oh sure, I'm sure some of you conspiracy types will chime in that Ford was an avowed Nazi, built about 1/3 of all the vehicles the Nazis used, and actually received numerous awards directly from Hitler, but really, enough with the left-wing conspiracy stuff, okay.
A few Senate reports indicating the above to be completely true doesn't mean it is!
Monte: I'm sure your here to help, but before you go on posting any more, I strongly encourage you to read the reasoned and rationale posts of people like Yamaha, Hydro, Nigel, John Denver, Jay Morrison, etc. We need more people like those five on this board. People who want to come up with solutions and won't let themselves be hampered by a bunch of scientific crapola about "entropy" and "biology"!
VOR
To be perfectly blunt, I didn't even bother to read your thread on entropy. I already know all I need to know about the "entropy-dieoff" gang comprised of people like you, Richard Heinberg, Jay Hanson, Matt Savinar and others: I am not about to waste my time or energy on a bunch of scientific mumbo-jumbo designed only to scare people!
Rather, I choose to invest my time in coming up with solutions. For instance, here is another one to go along with the possibility of freezing about 2 million people per week and sending them off into low-earth orbit:
Build a Dyson sphere around a star and beam the energy to Earth! Then you can take that energy and use it to convert water into hydrogen. In order to build the hydrogen infrastructure, the president can set up work camps of dissidents to do the construction for free. And if there aren't enough of them to do the job, we can get people from the third world to do it. Of course, there is the problem of not having enough fresh water to complete this project, but we will cross that bridge when we come to it. Sure, there are some minor technical problems to overcome, but hey nothing worth doing was ever easy!
Here is an example of the type of person we need to emulate: Henry Ford. Ford saw that at the turn of the century, New York was faced with a major problem: all the horse-sh-t that was piling up around New York City presented a major ecological problem. If that isn't an example of a problem with entropy, I don't know what is.
So he mass produced the automobile and the problem was solved!
Oh sure, I'm sure some of you conspiracy types will chime in that Ford was an avowed Nazi, built about 1/3 of all the vehicles the Nazis used, and actually received numerous awards directly from Hitler, but really, enough with the left-wing conspiracy stuff, okay.
A few Senate reports indicating the above to be completely true doesn't mean it is!
Monte: I'm sure your here to help, but before you go on posting any more, I strongly encourage you to read the reasoned and rationale posts of people like Yamaha, Hydro, Nigel, John Denver, Jay Morrison, etc. We need more people like those five on this board. People who want to come up with solutions and won't let themselves be hampered by a bunch of scientific crapola about "entropy" and "biology"!
VOR
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by lotrfan55345 » Sat 18 Sep 2004, 17:06:53
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anonymous', 'M')onteQuest,
To be perfectly blunt, I didn't even bother to read your thread on entropy. I already know all I need to know about the "entropy-dieoff" gang comprised of people like you, Richard Heinberg, Jay Hanson, Matt Savinar and others: I am not about to waste my time or energy on a bunch of scientific mumbo-jumbo designed only to scare people!
Rather, I choose to invest my time in coming up with solutions. For instance, here is another one to go along with the possibility of freezing about 2 million people per week and sending them off into low-earth orbit:
Build a Dyson sphere around a star and beam the energy to Earth! Then you can take that energy and use it to convert water into hydrogen. In order to build the hydrogen infrastructure, the president can set up work camps of dissidents to do the construction for free. And if there aren't enough of them to do the job, we can get people from the third world to do it. Of course, there is the problem of not having enough fresh water to complete this project, but we will cross that bridge when we come to it. Sure, there are some minor technical problems to overcome, but hey nothing worth doing was ever easy!
Here is an example of the type of person we need to emulate: Henry Ford. Ford saw that at the turn of the century, New York was faced with a major problem: all the horse-sh-t that was piling up around New York City presented a major ecological problem. If that isn't an example of a problem with entropy, I don't know what is.
So he mass produced the automobile and the problem was solved!
Oh sure, I'm sure some of you conspiracy types will chime in that Ford was an avowed Nazi, built about 1/3 of all the vehicles the Nazis used, and actually received numerous awards directly from Hitler, but really, enough with the left-wing conspiracy stuff, okay.
A few Senate reports indicating the above to be completely true doesn't mean it is!
Monte: I'm sure your here to help, but before you go on posting any more, I strongly encourage you to read the reasoned and rationale posts of people like Yamaha, Hydro, Nigel, John Denver, Jay Morrison, etc. We need more people like those five on this board. People who want to come up with solutions and won't let themselves be hampered by a bunch of scientific crapola about "entropy" and "biology"!
VOR
To be perfectly blunt, I didn't even bother to read your thread on entropy. I already know all I need to know about the "entropy-dieoff" gang comprised of people like you, Richard Heinberg, Jay Hanson, Matt Savinar and others: I am not about to waste my time or energy on a bunch of scientific mumbo-jumbo designed only to scare people!
Rather, I choose to invest my time in coming up with solutions. For instance, here is another one to go along with the possibility of freezing about 2 million people per week and sending them off into low-earth orbit:
Build a Dyson sphere around a star and beam the energy to Earth! Then you can take that energy and use it to convert water into hydrogen. In order to build the hydrogen infrastructure, the president can set up work camps of dissidents to do the construction for free. And if there aren't enough of them to do the job, we can get people from the third world to do it. Of course, there is the problem of not having enough fresh water to complete this project, but we will cross that bridge when we come to it. Sure, there are some minor technical problems to overcome, but hey nothing worth doing was ever easy!
Here is an example of the type of person we need to emulate: Henry Ford. Ford saw that at the turn of the century, New York was faced with a major problem: all the horse-sh-t that was piling up around New York City presented a major ecological problem. If that isn't an example of a problem with entropy, I don't know what is.
So he mass produced the automobile and the problem was solved!
Oh sure, I'm sure some of you conspiracy types will chime in that Ford was an avowed Nazi, built about 1/3 of all the vehicles the Nazis used, and actually received numerous awards directly from Hitler, but really, enough with the left-wing conspiracy stuff, okay.
A few Senate reports indicating the above to be completely true doesn't mean it is!
Monte: I'm sure your here to help, but before you go on posting any more, I strongly encourage you to read the reasoned and rationale posts of people like Yamaha, Hydro, Nigel, John Denver, Jay Morrison, etc. We need more people like those five on this board. People who want to come up with solutions and won't let themselves be hampered by a bunch of scientific crapola about "entropy" and "biology"!
VOR
Don't Feed the trolls! :D
My favorite part is the "freezing 2000 people" part.
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by Whitecrab » Sat 18 Sep 2004, 17:45:29
We need to be just like Ford! He saw a problem, and invented the car. That's exactly the kind of solution you need for a problem like peak oil!
Why should a person like VOR even be worried? Hasn't he heard, breeder nukes = infinite energy = infinitie solutions, entropy or no!
Why should a person like VOR even be worried? Hasn't he heard, breeder nukes = infinite energy = infinitie solutions, entropy or no!
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by Aaron » Sat 18 Sep 2004, 17:49:46
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am not about to waste my time or energy on a bunch of scientific mumbo-jumbo designed only to scare people!
You seem willing to waste our time with Dyson spheres & cryogenics though...
(Sorry about the Troll feeding... hard to resist... I know I know... they crap everywhere and deface good threads)
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