[DefiledEngine]

Well, at least Israelis giving up their "settlements" all over the west bank, many of them moving away, and overpopulation issues adressed... That might take much of the fight out of the palestinians. Although in the end, to many, Israelis would still live on "stolen" land... I guess, in the end, such a scenario would be as probable as the palestinians simply yielding.

[Z]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hawkcreek', 'W')hether it is morally right or wrong doesn't change the reality.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

The whole reason the Isrealies stayed in the GAza Strip was becasue its higher and over looks a lot of the Isrealie settlements. In 1967 the palestinians and their allies used it to strategic advantage to rain bombs on them.

Isreal has resisted giving the mountain to mohammed out of self preservation. many see this as the first step to another war.

[lateStarter]

When TSHTF and the bullets and bombs start moving more freely (in other words, everybody else is doing it, nobody will notice or complain about what we do at this point) Israel will nuke the Palestineans into oblivion as well as Syria, Iran, Jordan, and probably Egypt (just for good measure). First strike rules...

[HoveRoyal]

To suggest that somehow the Palestinians are arming themselves to the teeth is incredulous. Whilst the US continues to fund the nuclear power Israel to the tune of $4bn/year this is just ludicrous... If ever there was a one-sided fight in the world, this is it.

The fact is the only way the Palestinians can take the fight to the Israelis is by not playing fair, ie by targeting the civilian population. I personally don't agree with it (both morally and tactically), but I understand why they do it. If any one of you were in their situation who could say they wouldn't do exactly the same?

The simple truth is the Palestinians have to fight the Israelis. If they do nothing they will be forced from the entire West Bank within a generation as the Israelis take more and more land and resources. The withdrawal from Gaza is simply the prelude to turning it into the largest concentration camp in the world. With no American & Russian colonists there, the IDF can act with full impunity without the risk of any "collateral damage" amongst their own people! They will re-enter Gaza on the simplest whim any day soon.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HoveRoyal', '
')The fact is the only way the Palestinians can take the fight to the Israelis is by not playing fair, ie by targeting the civilian population. I personally don't agree with it (both morally and tactically), but I understand why they do it. If any one of you were in their situation who could say they wouldn't do exactly the same?

The simple truth is the Palestinians have to fight the Israelis. If they do nothing they will be forced from the entire West Bank within a generation as the Israelis take more and more land and resources. The withdrawal from Gaza is simply the prelude to turning it into the largest concentration camp in the world. With no American & Russian colonists there, the IDF can act with full impunity without the risk of any "collateral damage" amongst their own people! They will re-enter Gaza on the simplest whim any day soon.

[I_Like_Plants]

The Pals are hunted at random by the Israeli army, Israeli settlers, and just random Israelis who feel like a little bit of hunting. Israel has US warplanes, ships, tanks, Caterpillars, you name it. The Pals have rocks, and what simple stuff like gunpowder etc they can scrounge up.

When you've had half your family, your brothers and sisters and your best friend growing up killed, and you're seeing or have seen your ancestral village leveled, how would YOU act?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'T')he Pals are hunted at random by the Israeli army, Israeli settlers, and just random Israelis who feel like a little bit of hunting. Israel has US warplanes, ships, tanks, Caterpillars, you name it. The Pals have rocks, and what simple stuff like gunpowder etc they can scrounge up.

When you've had half your family, your brothers and sisters and your best friend growing up killed, and you're seeing or have seen your ancestral village leveled, how would YOU act?

[DefiledEngine]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')I don't understand what the Palestinians have to gain by killing civilians. How does it help them in any way? What coherent strategy could they possibly have in mind? No, it only seems like nihilistic rage, hence the thread title. The only plan I can see is an attempt to gain global support by playing the 'victims' which requires that they provoke the Isrealis to measures of repression, measures which are completely neccessary and justified by the heinous tactics of the Palestinians.

[I_Like_Plants]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'Y')ou're full of crap. All lies.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UIUCstudent01', 'G')o, World Peace!

err..

When was Israel created? After WWII

How long have Palestinians been there throughout history? for at least 1800 years...

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')Does part of that peacefulness include strapping a bomb to your chest and blowing up a bus stop killing women and children??

[erl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UIUCstudent01', 'G')o, World Peace!

err..

When was Israel created? After WWII

How long have Palestinians been there throughout history? for at least 1800 years...

[oiless]

[/QUOTE]Prior to that though, the Jews had occupied the area for about 3000 years. I think that predates Yassar Arafat.[QUOTE]

I think we'd better give the americas back to the indians. They occupied the land considerably longer than 3000 years.

[I_Like_Plants]

Kevin McDonald's "A People That Shall Live Alone" along with his "Culture of Critque" are excellent resources on Jewish history, the essential overwhelming premise is that just like certain birds and insects and animals have evolved as parasites open others, human societies have evolved rapidly, a sort of accelerated evolution, and Jewish society has evolved to be parasites upon a host. This sounds extreme but he supports this with TONS of backing information, historical facts, etc. Jews have been a problem for all of their hosts, which explains why over and over for thousands of years Jewish history is one of being kicked out of host nations. There are also aspects of Jewish culture that justify Jewish actions to themselves, from crude ones like goyim have no souls, and God has made special compacts with them, to more subtle ones. A more subtle example is the kind of "approved" humor in the US, which is largely Jewish-run. There are very strong messages in it that Jews are the only truly human ones and goyim are stupid, violent, harmful, and too vicious for their own good - thank goodness society is run and to its benefit by the wonderful, altruistic, Jews eh? And there's a very direct correlation between Jewish control in the US and the decreasing quality of life in the US for non-Jews. This is the same correlation shown in all societies the Jews use or have used as hosts, and historically, repetitively, the result in the same, either the utter destruction of the society or the expulsion of the Jews.

Ants have predator ants who know how to come in, mask themselves with the hosts' scents, use the hosts' tapping codes, etc and get into the anthill and take over. Birds often innocently raise cowbird young instead of their own. Horses have flukes and bots and all sorts of things that live in their systems to their detriment, we humans have our parasitical types and occationally parasitical families and classes, but as Kevin McDonald points out, Jews are unique genetically and culturally, and they're humanity's first genetic/cultural parasite. We need to look at this clearly, sooner or later when the victem has nothing more to lose they lose their fear of their oppressor and are ready to fight back.

[MD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oiless', '<')/div>Prior to that though, the Jews had occupied the area for about 3000 years. I think that predates Yassar Arafat.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')
I think we'd better give the americas back to the indians. They occupied the land considerably longer than 3000 years.

[oiless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oiless', '<')/div>Prior to that though, the Jews had occupied the area for about 3000 years. I think that predates Yassar Arafat.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')
I think we'd better give the americas back to the indians. They occupied the land considerably longer than 3000 years.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oiless', '
')Well that's simple then, we'll just give the place to some asians. Mongolians would probably be a likely choice...

The point I was trying to get across is that the creation of Israel is a modern problem, not to be regarded as the correction of an ancient wrong.

[I_Like_Plants]

Isn't-real has survived only through MASSIVE imputs of US money and materiel, this because Israelis own so much in the USA and are good at transferring US wealth to Isn't-real.

[DefiledEngine]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Ever since it was founded the people of the country have had to adapt to extreme hostility from all sides. They have shown remarkable restraint because they are civilized people. Sure they have to get tough and kick ass. We can't say that because the Palestinians are on a death-wish trip that the Jews will have to go elsewhere anymore than we can 'give the US to the Mongolians'. The Israelis have the right idea which is to make it painful to the Palestinians to engage in this destructive rampage. Eventually they will give up and have a better life for it.