[Dezakin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')urrent administration doesn't seem to think so.

[Lehyina]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'N')ot trying to pick on you BUT!!!
"$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ts a great pity the world's politicians cannot get their act together for Peak Oil the way they did to tackle the ozone hole. Guess its because Peak Oil is a much more intractable problem.

[Raxozanne]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lehyina', '
')I concede that the ozone hole is not yet fixed but it may finally be on the mend as a result of the world-wide action taken to stop the use of CFCs. Time will be the arbiter on that but it does illustrate a rare example of how the international community did manage to agree there was a problem that needed fixing and took concerted action. All I am suggesting (wishfully) is that if the same collective good sense had been applied to peak oil some 40 odd years ago when Hubbert was first raising the red flag we might now still have a fighting chance. But it didn't and the chance has probably been lost and therefore NEOPO you are probably safely correct in your doom and gloom.

[lightsout]

hi folks, am new to the board. over the weekend I listened to the financial sense news hour with Jim Pulplava. Matt Savinar has been interviewed many times he had on some academic type by the name of Economides and he danced around the subject of peak oil. Because he is an industry insider and a proponent, after listening I am more convinced than ever that peak is imminent. www.financialsense.com

[Lehyina]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', '
')
I take it you didn't read this article then:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')riday September 9 2005.
Hole in ozone layer growing to largest-ever size.
The hole in the ozone layer above the Antarctic this year is growing and is set to become the largest-ever size, the Japan Meteorological Agency said Friday.

[Lehyina]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', '
')
I take it you didn't read this article then:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')riday September 9 2005.
Hole in ozone layer growing to largest-ever size.
The hole in the ozone layer above the Antarctic this year is growing and is set to become the largest-ever size, the Japan Meteorological Agency said Friday.

[FairMaiden]

I suppose I have a different definition of Peak oil. I believe it is already here. We haven't had a MAJOR oil discovery in 3 yrs...that tell me we are already on the downward slope of the bell curve. Who cares about production? That is KNOWN oil - look around - there aren't alot of brand NEW sites being discovered - only old sites with more oil than expected. To me, PO is about the amount of oil - not the amount produced.

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') suppose I have a different definition of Peak oil. I believe it is already here. We haven't had a MAJOR oil discovery in 3 yrs...that tell me we are already on the downward slope of the bell curve. Who cares about production? That is KNOWN oil - look around - there aren't alot of brand NEW sites being discovered - only old sites with more oil than expected. To me, PO is about the amount of oil - not the amount produced.

[Cyrus]

As someone said in another thread: why use the last 2% of the discoveries possible to continuously fuel this horrible paradigm?

[Lehyina]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', '
')
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Remember also that a lot of the reserves reported are P1 and P2...typically in younger fields there is considerable P3 that can be moved to P2 and eventally P3.

[Antimatter]

Discoveries are actually more like 10-15Gb/year according to most sources, 2000 and 2001 were over 20Gb according to IHS. ASPO doesn't seem to give a source for there discovery figures post 2002.

[Lehyina]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Antimatter', 'D')iscoveries are actually more like 10-15Gb/year according to most sources, 2000 and 2001 were over 20Gb according to IHS. ASPO doesn't seem to give a source for there discovery figures post 2002.

[Antimatter]

Nah, its liquids, includes natural gas liquids (NGL) but not gas. Does anyone know for sure if ASPO is including deepwater oil in their discovery estimates? That could explain the discrepancy.

[Lehyina]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Antimatter', 'N')ah, its liquids, includes natural gas liquids (NGL) but not gas. Does anyone know for sure if ASPO is including deepwater oil in their discovery estimates? That could explain the discrepancy.

[peripato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lehyina', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Antimatter', 'N')ah, its liquids, includes natural gas liquids (NGL) but not gas. Does anyone know for sure if ASPO is including deepwater oil in their discovery estimates? That could explain the discrepancy.

[aldente]

Runnaway global warming is likewise far away, just 100 to 200 years. Seems far away? Sure. Is it far away in the larger context, not so sure.

[Battle_Scarred_Galactico]

Warming effects are on us now, no need to wait 100 years.

[Lehyina]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy don't you both go to the source instead of wringing your hands over this question? A cursory glance of the ASPO newsletter shows that it inlcudes both deepwater and NGL in its depletion profile estimates.

[Lehyina]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', '
')Runnaway global warming is likewise far away, just 100 to 200 years. Seems far away? Sure. Is it far away in the larger context, not so sure.

[mermaid]

by that time is the world population also about 9 or 10 billion, and all "need"oil to survive....


i think we should not wait 'till then, the first signs of running out are visible and why wait for the Peak? one day after Peakoil is the day none can afford to buy oil, and were do we leave all the cars we have now in this world? leaving them on the street will also be a environmental disaster, and melting the steel and recycling the tires and plastics then is impossible because there's no energy to do it!!!