[Barbara]

Anybody remember what always happened when there was an oil supply problem (wars, economics, disasters, whatever)?

Ask OPEC to raise production.

Now we are speaking to release Strategic Reserves. Not only in the US, but in the EU also. Strategic Reserves opened in the whole western world just for the problem in Mexico Gulf... I mean, it's not Saudi Arabia gone forever, it's Mexico Gulf.
There's only one reason for this: OPEC has no more spare production. Not even a drop.

We are at peak... we already passed it.

[trespam]

Peak sweet light crude. You got to keep all this in context. Peak sweet light crude. Not peak sour. Not peak heavy. And refineries can't handle the heavy sour stuff.

Please, context. It's not black and white.

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', 'P')eak sweet light crude. You got to keep all this in context. Peak sweet light crude. Not peak sour. Not peak heavy. And refineries can't handle the heavy sour stuff.

Please, context. It's not black and white.

[trespam]

Give me a break Aaron. There is a lot of capital investment required to switch the refining system over to heavy sour. Yeah, we process it. But there's isn't enough capacity. There is a lot of good analysis of this over at James Hamilton's blog. He's been working the issue with OilDrum. They are actually doing something at those two sites. Right now we're dealing with peak sweet light. Even Campbell has said the same thing.

And I mention OilDrum and Hamilton's blog because while they're analyzing stuff, which is quite interesting, over here at peakoil.com we've got idiotic posts about cannibalism. (Obviously, I exagerate, but still, it's embarrasing).

BTW: No lobotomy here. Since I'm retired and have lots of time, I've been able to look at this whole issue even more deeply. And returning to this site, and seeing Specops still posting his trivialities, and the back and forth on cannibalism and "look at what Kunslter just posted" made me realize that it's almost like returning to High School. The same old jokes--fart jokes, or Breakfast Club references--whatever is your fancy. No progress. Not getting anywere. That's fine. I'm just making an observation. Perhaps I'm wrong.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', 'A')nd I mention OilDrum and Hamilton's blog because while they're analyzing stuff, which is quite interesting, over here at peakoil.com we've got idiotic posts about cannibalism. (Obviously, I exagerate, but still, it's embarrasing).

[bruin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', 'P')eak sweet light crude. You got to keep all this in context. Peak sweet light crude. Not peak sour. Not peak heavy. And refineries can't handle the heavy sour stuff.

Please, context. It's not black and white.

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o you're saying that it doesn't make a difference what kind of crude Saudi Arabia puts on the market?

[fossil_fuel]

i think what he meant to say was "MOST refineries can't handle VERY MUCH of the heavy sour stuff" perhaps?

[trespam]

Yes, I was not clear. Refineries cannot handle--any more--heavy oil. I--wrongly I agree--thought this would be clear to those looking closely at what is going on with oil production, e.g. the latest ASPO productions, etc.

Jack: No. I said I have no interest in going to New Orleans. You're pulling the old your with us or against us, black and white, W argument. If I think using the misery of New Orleans as an argument associated with peak oil, and also think people should contribute to help, I'm told that since I'm not headed there now, my argument is bunk.

Sorry, no such luck.

[MicroHydro]

I agree with Boone Pickens, Matt Simmons, Ken Deffreys, Jan Lundberg and Mike Ruppert. Peak liquids is here now. With 5 million bpd annual depletion from existing fields, there is no level of capital expenditure that can expand production of even the most vile oil grades fast enough.

PS: Peak sweet light crude may have been as far in the past as 2000.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', 'J')ack: No. I said I have no interest in going to New Orleans. You're pulling the old your with us or against us, black and white, W argument. If I think using the misery of New Orleans as an argument associated with peak oil, and also think people should contribute to help, I'm told that since I'm not headed there now, my argument is bunk.

[Chicken_Little]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', 'T')he same old jokes--fart jokes, or Breakfast Club references--whatever is your fancy. No progress. Not getting anywere. That's fine. I'm just making an observation. Perhaps I'm wrong.

[trespam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', 'I') agree with Boone Pickens, Matt Simmons, Ken Deffreys, Jan Lundberg and Mike Ruppert. Peak liquids is here now. With 5 million bpd annual depletion from existing fields, there is no level of capital expenditure that can expand production of even the most vile oil grades fast enough.

PS: Peak sweet light crude may have been as far in the past as 2000.

[gego]

Kudos to Barbara for her observation.

If you look at production last Friday, perhaps that was the high.

The longer term Peak Oil curve just puts the peak in this general time frame. There are many minor oscillations and random or semi-random events that make the smooth roll over, when examined in detail very jagged. We just had a jagged move down from the smooth long term curve. We will not plummet directly to the stone age, but we wlll gradually slide. If you smoothed the data last Friday may be invisible as the peak, but for those us us watching day to day, this may well prove to be a landmark.

The effect of Katrina will be to slow consumption and to delay some production from today to tomorrow; perhaps some small amount of production will be lost permanently, but this is insignificant.

The true lesson to be observed is the mechanism of breakdown. Why? Because it tells you how to prepare personally for a similar national or global failure of the system.

Have a long term source or water, food, and personal protection against agression? Understand that peak oil is really part of the "survival of the fittest" as Darwin recognized as a principle of nature. Dependency on government is stupid. It is a mechanism of plunder, not salvation.

You may also want to observe that some in New Orleans, continue to be passive when their own survival is in question, while others become agressive and sink to a lower level of "morality". Those of you you have been conditioned to be afraid of guns may want to reconsider their role in facilitating your personal survival.

[trespam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', 'J')ack: No. I said I have no interest in going to New Orleans. You're pulling the old your with us or against us, black and white, W argument. If I think using the misery of New Orleans as an argument associated with peak oil, and also think people should contribute to help, I'm told that since I'm not headed there now, my argument is bunk.

[trespam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', 'T')he true lesson to be observed is the mechanism of breakdown. Why? Because it tells you how to prepare personally for a similar national or global failure of the system.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', 'Y')ou are wrong. You are using the fallacious argument made by some that the wealthy should give everything. That's not true. The argument that if I don't give 100% to the poor, I'm against the poor.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', 'T')he true lesson to be observed is the mechanism of breakdown. Why? Because it tells you how to prepare personally for a similar national or global failure of the system.

[trespam]

Still no progress jack. You're drawing blanks. Nice try though.

I already said: I'm contributing money, to do what I can. I'm not traveling there. That doesn't seem good enough for you? Too bad.

As far as volunteer work: why, I'm having fun. People who slave for the "man" day in, day out don't have time to think straight. They're living in mental straightjackets.

I largely ignored this place for 6 months, looking at some of the news, but largely finding the postings to be more of the same. I suppose it's a place for some people, the moderators, to expound on their doomer theories. And I'll probably go away again for a while. Maybe in 6 months I'll come back. To once again point out that there is no progress being made on this site.

Now it was pointed out to me that oil prices have gone up since. Yeah, they have. Good. It's necessary. But in 6 months, we'll be talking about the same things again. How friggen long does it take you to plan for your survivalist needs? Or are you simply here trying to sell others on the need to become survivalist?

Here's my point. This site is not about peak oil. It is really something closer to assume-the-worst-for-peak-oil-which-makes-genocidal-survivalist-
xenophobic-conspiritorial-negativism-the-focus.com.

Don't get me wrong. There are still lots of good posts here, do doubt. But lost in the dreck and the lost souls who spend a lot of their time obsessing over peak oil. And keeping Kunstler and Ruppert from the need to keep a day job by purchasing their books and newsletters.

[trespam]

Jack: red in tooth and claw? Wow. Waxing poetic. Such a profound "writer" you are.

Are you just discovering disasters? And then I have Aaron telling me in the past that there is no such thing as morality? Has he not looked at the darwinian basis for morality? Apparently not.

So how many died from the criminals in New Orleans? And then how many died from the storm itself? And how many because they were poor living in a city hit by a category 4/5 hurricane.

How many people died because of the human nature you are pointing out to me? How many? Ten? Twenty? I saw, primarily, pictures of people trying to help each other.

What did we have? A large number of looters? And a few really bad apples who committed rape and perhaps murdered one or two people.

Not bad if you ask me.

You prove nothing. Your theories are just plain silly. I hope other people will wake up this.