[KevO]

500,000 died in the tsunami.
no law and order problems
one hurricane and New Orleans turns into a war zone.
the difference?
GUNS

If the American people still think guns should be a right then they are clearly insane.
if proof was ever needed you have it now

What the hell is going on?

7000 local troops are away fighting an illegal war in Iraq and the population of the USA watches live on TV as a major city rapes it's kids, slaughters it's neighbours whilst it starves and burns with no real help from the rest of America.

If GW and his whole entourage don't go for this then they never will and that is up to those glued to CNN

[Jack]

So let's say you're in NO...you've got a little food, some water, and a place to sleep. Then the mob hears about it. Want a gun?

Or let's suppose your sister is with you. The mob decides they want her. Want a gun?

Or you might be sitting among the ruins of your house. The mob wishes to comb through the ruins, and they don't want to be interfered with. Want a gun?

I'll keep my weapons, thank you very much.

[Specop_007]

Oh yes, blame the guns.

Guns guns guns, its all guns fault.

Tired of the same ole same ole liberal spin,
Specop_007

[dukey]

no one here (the UK) has guns, except for maybe a few people who like to actually go out shooting (ducks rabbits whatever). That's it.

it fucking amazes me when you see americans having M16s ak47's for 'home defence'. Defence against what ? An invading army ? Are you that scared of your neighbours you need enough ammo to take out the whole village ? And as for your comment jack. When has there EVER been an angry mob outside your house ? And if there was an angry mob would you be prepared to open fire on this angry mob ? And what if this angry mob were also equally or better armed ?

I love that comment by someone on this site. Everyone having guns is the same as no one having guns, only worse.

[Serendipity]

Rapes have been reported in tsunami refugees camps. So people in America are not worse nor better.

Still I think Kevin got a point.

If something similar was happening in Europe, people would loot, plunder, rape as much as in NO but they would be armed with sticks, hammer, big knives but not AK-47.

And they wouldn't shoot at rescue chopper. Throwing stones probably though.

But I think the overall situation has been made worse because of the "gun availabily" in NO.

[UncoveringTruths]

The right to bear arms has made more than one country think before it fucked with us.

Maybe Hitler would've thought twice if England had a weapon behind every blade of grass.

There are pros and cons in the right to bear arms however.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'A')nd as for your comment jack. When has there EVER been an angry mob outside your house ? And if there was an angry mob would you be prepared to open fire on this angry mob ? And what if this angry mob were also equally or better armed ?

[RdSnt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UncoveringTruths', 'T')he right to bear arms has made more than one country think before it fucked with us.

Maybe Hitler would've thought twice if England had a weapon behind every blade of grass.

There are pros and cons in the right to bear arms however.

[ooopps]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'n')o one here (the UK) has guns, except for maybe a few people who like to actually go out shooting (ducks rabbits whatever). That's it.

[VinceG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UncoveringTruths', 'T')here are pros and cons in the right to bear arms however.

[Novus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '
')As for being as well armed as I...that is most unlikely. Because what I've got is better than M-16's and AK-47s. And far better than the semi-automatic civilian versions of the preceding weapons which the rioters actually have.

If the mob wants to attack me with their pathetic little toys, they will be reduced to hamburger. Seriously.

[Permanently_Baffled]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')You forgot one major group, the criminals have guns in the UK. So the normal law abiding citizen are at the mercy of cops, crooks and hunters. Thank god we have have the right to bear arms.

[Barbara]

oh no, another gun thread.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Permanently_Baffled', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')You forgot one major group, the criminals have guns in the UK. So the normal law abiding citizen are at the mercy of cops, crooks and hunters. Thank god we have have the right to bear arms.

[Doly]

If I lived in the US right now, I'd be thinking of ways of getting out of there ASAP. Staying in a gun area that is slowly going to hell isn't very pro-survival. Owning a gun yourself doesn't protect you from the other guy's bullets.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '
')
What kind of heat are you packing? Do you have have a 50cal machine gun or RPGs. Or are you just thinking your shot guns and hunting rifles can hold back people with AK47s.

[Permanently_Baffled]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')I considered an M2 (your .50 cal) but concluded that it was relatively unlikely that I would need to engage armored targets.

[Chocky]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f I lived in the US right now, I'd be thinking of ways of getting out of there ASAP. Staying in a gun area that is slowly going to hell isn't very pro-survival. Owning a gun yourself doesn't protect you from the other guy's bullets.

[marko]

Europeans, the gun nuts have taken your bait. Understand that at least half of US households do not own a gun. Most Americans support stricter gun controls.

I completely agree that our high rate of shooting deaths are a consequence of widespread gun ownership and wish that gun ownership could be reduced. However, it is politically impossible, because gun owners are passionate about their cause and contribute heavily to politicians campaigns over this issue, whereas for most who don't own guns, gun control is not a critical issue.

Generations of gun ownership and a widespread ethic that "might makes right" have made Americans much more afraid of each other than Europeans are. As you can see, many Americans believe that they have no choice but to go it alone, fully armed, against the world. This is why Bush's unilateral militarism has resonated with much of the population.

In this context, even I, who deplore this situation, am planning to purchase a gun and take a course in gunmanship. This is partly so that I will be able to hunt for game when the economy collapses, but also partly so that I can try protect myself and my loved ones if need be when the time comes. I see gun ownership as a sad necessity.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chocky', ' ')I notice that becoming a refugee is high on many people's lists- 'It can't happen in where I live but if it did I'll just leave'..