[venky]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Z', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', 'B')esides look at the ratio in Iraq in the guerilla war., 100000:2000, 50 Iraqi's for every American, ofcourse not that US casualties are insignificant. Maybe the insurgents or militia can inflict substantial losses on the invading or tyrranical force, but they cant defeat it, only hope to outlast it. And the damage on the civilian population will be devastating.

[k_semler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Permanently_Baffled', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Yeah, that's coming from a place that is considering banning KITCHEN KNIFES and IMITATION WEAPONS! I thought banning all the guns would solve your problems? Oh, I guess it didn't.

[k_semler]

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[Chocky]

Of course more guns means more gun murders. That's not the end of the issue though, the society and culture is far more important. If you want to know one of the main reasons why America is far more violent than other countries, particularly European countries, look at New Orleans now, and the ethnicity of the people doing the murdering and looting.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/fact ... ?page=afam

Some interesting statistics from the brady campaign to prevent gun violence:

-A young Black male is 10 times more likely to be murdered than a young white male.

-In 1998, 94 percent of the Black murder victims were slain by black offenders.

-In 1997, Black males accounted for 45 percent of all homicide victims, while they only account for 6 percent of the entire population.

There you go. A large part of American violence and gun violence is blacks killing one another.

[erl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'A')nd as for your comment jack. When has there EVER been an angry mob outside your house ? And if there was an angry mob would you be prepared to open fire on this angry mob ?

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'A')nd as for your comment jack. When has there EVER been an angry mob outside your house ? And if there was an angry mob would you be prepared to open fire on this angry mob ?

[Bedevere]

Bedevere hopes that all gun-loving folk of the world eventually meet their demise as "innocent bystanders" at a gas station shootout. Ultimate irony.

[erl]

Thanks Bedevere.

We appreciate the good wishes from Canada.

[erl]

P.S.

Think I'll go out and buy another gun (or two).

[oiless]

If this has already been covered, forgive me. I didn't have the patience to wade through all the stuff on the previous pages.
First, some background, I grew up in the Canadian bush, and everyone had guns, lots of them. My family was on the low end of the scale, 12 gauge shotgun, pump action 22, bolt action 22, bolt action 243, bolt action 308, and a 22 long barrel revolver. Reloading equipment for the centrefires, and lots of rimfire ammo stored of course. During my whole time growing up I remember only two gunfire incidents.
One was some drunk hunters from "outside" who were trying to shoot a moose. Our cabin was downrange from the moose, so there were bullets whizzing by, and my old man let a couple of rounds go over their heads. They left.
The other was a party, where a young fellow newly arrived from Colorado got tanked up and shot up a guy's pickup with a 460 Weatherby.
These things happened in area 150 miles from the nearest police presence.
These guys here:
http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/Cda-US.htm
are trying to prove that more guns =more gun deaths. They are quite right, if people want to kill each other and a gun is handy, that's what they'll use.
But, that's not what I see as interesting in their numbers. What I see is that it's an American thing. Canadians just aren't as inclined to kill each other as Americans are. It's got f**k all to do with guns, it's cultural.
I mean, by rights we Canadians should be doing each other in all the time, we have less police, no death penalty, and light sentences, but we don't:
http://www.answers.com/topic/crime-in-canada

In my opinion you could give every Canadian an assault rifle and it would do little to the murder rate. Yes, the gun death rate would go up, but the number of people being killed with bare hands, knives, and so on, would go down.
I also find it interesting that one of the poorest areas of my country (Newfoundland) has the lowest crime rate.

So, I don't own any guns at the moment, (no current need) and I have little opinion about gun laws, other than to state that criminals will have guns, no matter how hard you make them to get for Joe AverageCitizen.
However I believe that you could confiscate every privately owned firearm in the USA and they would still have a high murder rate and high violent crime rate. It's an American thing.

[katkinkate]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', '5')00,000 died in the tsunami.
no law and order problems....

[I_Like_Plants]

New Orleans is not an American city, it started out as a French city and then became a black city. It is not an American city. Doubt me? The quotes and boasting are out there, it's been screw you whitey all the way, until at least whitey isn't able to get the welfare checks through.

This whole thread has me eager to check out the local gun shops

[rallyman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bedevere', 'B')edevere hopes that all gun-loving folk of the world eventually meet their demise as "innocent bystanders" at a gas station shootout. Ultimate irony.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rallyman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bedevere', 'B')edevere hopes that all gun-loving folk of the world eventually meet their demise as "innocent bystanders" at a gas station shootout. Ultimate irony.

[rallyman]

uhh...gotta do something on these late nites....

[erl]

Lights Out???

[rallyman]

Yes..."Lights Out".....pretty good "survival" tale.... go here

Frugal Squirrel Forums

You have to register to see anything....then go down to where the "Fiction" section is....do a search for "Lights Out"....good reading, interesting plot line and premise...the guy that writes it does a topnotch job....

(Someone may have a link to it elsewhere or perhaps all in a nice little zip file......guys?)

[duke3522]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rallyman', 'Y')es..."Lights Out".....pretty good "survival" tale.... go here

Frugal Squirrel Forums

You have to register to see anything....then go down to where the "Fiction" section is....do a search for "Lights Out"....good reading, interesting plot line and premise...the guy that writes it does a topnotch job....

(Someone may have a link to it elsewhere or perhaps all in a nice little zip file......guys?)