[weirdo27]

I know its coming but im not gonna quite my job or like quite driving i am actually buying a new car soon. I am just terrified of what will happen to me when it does happen. Or am i giving up my plans for college im just gonna keep living my life like society is gonan keep going like it is right now even though i know its not going too and will collapse? Is their something wrong with that at all?

[something_awfull]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('weirdo27', 'I') know its coming but im not gonna quite my job or like quite driving i am actually buying a new car soon. I am just terrified of what will happen to me when it does happen. Or am i giving up my plans for college im just gonna keep living my life like society is gonan keep going like it is right now even though i know its not going too and will collapse? Is their something wrong with that at all?

[NEOPO]

Hmmmm I read about PO.
I thought ... unchecked consumerism and the inefficiencies thereof is the problem
People stuck in a viscious cycle ...one thing leads to the next.
This is all manmade.

How can I carry on as usual knowing what I know now?
I would feel like such a hypocrit to believe in PO and global warming yet not make changes now and perpetually until the worst is either realized or never happens.

For instance, buy a honda/toyota something efficient rather then a sporty race car or monster truck.
Buy a Bike to get you around campus.
Wear t-shirts that say "got oil?" with a www.peakoil.com added

Be the founder and president of your colleges PO awareness group!!!

hmmm quitting your job......

I say dont quit if your job is profitable - look for better work while you have that job if it isnt.
for instance - My cousin has a "decent" job and as far as he is concerned its the best he can get at $16 an hour.
Yet at the end of the week he has done little more the spun his wheels.
No expendable income, no savings and thats at $2.50 a gallon -current food costs - not $3 or $4 etc etc and the effects on diesel which effects EVERYTHING that is shipped etc etc food,walmarts - you follow me?

In a few months his "good job" may no longer be feasible.

So in that case yes I would quit and seek a more sustainable lifestyle.
The bottom line here is what can one do with no expendable income?
How much preparing can you do with no extra dollars?

Sacrifice now - save and find something sustainable soon!!!

For those people who barely make ends meet - lets hope this distillate shortage is short lived.

Take away their "disposable" income, tell them about peak oil and what?
Expect them to be able to do something about it besides cry?? I think not.

[weirdo27]

See i dont want to prepare I bought some books on how to garden so maybe I can sustain my food if everything does fall atleast i will have something to eat. I dont think im gonna go all whacko on planning just cause i dont want to be stupid or not stupid but more look stupid to other people and watching nothing does happen in our life times except maybe a recession and then i would feel like a idiot if i spent every second trying to prepare.

[NEOPO]

Screw how it looks man!!
Each and every one of us must realize that we are also part of the problem.

WHACKO??? oh you mean the view I had every morning as I headed North on I95 toward D.C. with 100,000 other cars,trucks vans and semi's.....

Maybe the term whacko could be used to describe the miles and miles of farm land that is/was/ and will be transformed into suburbia ....I saw it happen to a medium sized city in less the 3 years....15-20 farms..not little farms ...big farms...that last refuge for wildlife and food for that area!!!!!

Weirdo27...the matrix has you.............as it had me and all of us at one time.
From the time we first opened our eyes until the time when we first suspected something was amiss.
Thats why you and I are here.
We sense something is not right.

you sound as if you are semi aware yet you dont know what to do really and you want someone to take your hand and lead you down the rabbit hole because you are unable to do it yourself.

Perhaps all of this comes about because of the great change that PO will bring to your vision of the future.

If you truly "get" what PO means to the future - you wont be able to just IGNORE it.
You will dream about it and it will bother you until you do something.
It still bothers me but I do feel better because I have a plan.

Imagine how each of us would feel - having the foreknowledge of PO - the 411 - the heads up - maybe years in advance - yet we allow ourselves and those around us to suffer and possibly die because we were not brave enough to step out and effect change before it was too late.

If all we did was worry what other people thought about us then we would probably do very little.

Here are some links - I have to think that you are simply less informed then most to take the stance that you appear to have taken.

die off
wolf at the door
life after the oil crash

Please read - come back and we can chat more

[engulfthemanatee]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I')f you truly "get" what PO means to the future - you wont be able to just IGNORE it.
You will dream about it and it will bother you until you do something.
It still bothers me but I do feel better because I have a plan.

[backstop]

ETManatee -

with respect, you can see the probability of what's coming to this society - not as 99% but over 50% likely.

You choose not to act "until its airbourne" which means of course you're going to be scrabbling to get by and aren't remotely likely to be able to help others significantly or to help keep things level.

To be in a position to help others, you have to prepare.

You ask for help now, to be convinced, though you show no interest in preparing to help others.

Where's that at ?

regards,

Backstop

[engulfthemanatee]

backstop-- I am willing to help others, but I have to get my own crap together first. But if it's as bad some people are saying, then helping others--aside from your family and whatnot--is not going to be on anyone's radar.

[backstop]

ETManatee -

I wonder if you'd agree that there's no surer way to get a ship's lifeboats swamped, dropped half full and generally wastefully used than for people to call for "Every Man For Himself!"

The older tradition of "Women & Children First" maintains a sense of social duty that is critical to making the most of lousy conditions.

This is of course an issue of culture, which overlies human nature like so many blankets, or a suit of armour, depending on your received perceptions.

I agree entirely that you need to get things together yourself -you're no use to anyone if you don't, but disagree entirely as to how many people will be helping others. But then, I guess your culture is American, so for America at least, you maybe know best.

regards,

Backstop

[weirdo27]

IM scared for the future. Im scard for myself and everyone around me i wonder when socieity finally collapses if i will be one of the fortunate ones to survive and be able to sustain a living and maybe even still live a happy life cause i am sure this is your only life and i dont want to go through it sad. I really think that teh death toll will be in countless hundreds of millions and i dont want to be one of those. Maybe even reach the billion mark.

[Macsporan]

Don't be scared. Society is a lot stronger than people think it is. There are intermediate states between the non-negotiable American way of life and complete chaos.

PO will be the end of a world, but not the end of the world. It will be gradual not cataclysmic. The American lifestyle is so obese that if 80% of it fell away there would still be enough to go around if it were properly organised and distributed.

If people work together and elect competent leaders society will survive easily.

It is our duty to strengthen society so that it does not fail, not to hide in the hills like a coward for the dubious privilege of being among the last to be devoured by the spreading chaos.

Survivalism is comtemptible: a symptom of disease not the cure.

Don't go there.

Stick with your family, stick with your neighbours and stick with your friends, stick with your government and they'll stick by you.

[marko]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('weirdo27', 'I')M scared for the future. Im scard for myself and everyone around me i wonder when socieity finally collapses if i will be one of the fortunate ones to survive and be able to sustain a living and maybe even still live a happy life cause i am sure this is your only life and i dont want to go through it sad. I really think that teh death toll will be in countless hundreds of millions and i dont want to be one of those. Maybe even reach the billion mark.

[weirdo27]

How would i explain to my parents of years of being inside and wanting to be a business manager and go into networking my whole life and then decide to change to go into farming or something where i could make a living on my own cause i think society is gonna fall apart is gonna make me sound crazy and my parents event hough im 18 will force me to go into psycology classes cause they think i will be messed up in the head for thinking such nonsesne.

Macsporan the goverment will not stick by the population or they cant i mean just with hurricane kawina you saw how easily everyone want bezerk everyone stealing not listening to authority and waiting for goverment assistance and just waiting to die not helping themselves. I cant even imagine what will happen to america in even teh slightest decline not alone a complete collapse. Maybe other countries wont be has hard hit but america will definetly fall and it is going to fall very hard.

[trespam]

I think a lot of the negative people on this and other threads have either (a) not read much history or (b) are extremely fearful. Katrina is a disaster. Not so different from many many past disasters. And peaking energy supplies will impact standards of living, hence significantly reducing energy consumption.

You've got a lot of time.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', '
')
You've got a lot of time.

[trespam]

Why are you guys reading anything by Steve Forbes? He's an idiot. Always has been. Always will be.

Jack: Please point me to the combined geological/economic models that allow me and others on this board to understand your firm conclusions on how peak oil will play out. I'd love to see them.

[Dukat_Reloaded]

[/QUOTE]IM scared for the future. Im scard for myself and everyone around me i wonder when socieity finally collapses if i will be one of the fortunate ones to survive and be able to sustain a living and maybe even still live a happy life cause i am sure this is your only life and i dont want to go through it sad. I really think that teh death toll will be in countless hundreds of millions and i dont want to be one of those. Maybe even reach the billion mark.[QUOTE]

You should start saving for your peakoil retirment fund. What does that entail?. It means doing almost the opposite of what everyone is doing now. Goto work, only rent do not buy property, live as cheaply as possible and spend the remainder on gold coins. Tell me how much is a house worth in times of distress like katerina? virtualy $0. I'm saying you may become rich if you keep gold post peakoil instead of debt or paper currencies. It may be a poor world soon, but being rich in a poor area is better than being poor in a poor area.

[Macsporan]

"If people work together and elect competent leaders society will survive easily."

This is where you guys come in.

If you want to survive you must have a competent, responsive government.

Get one.

Join the Democrats, start another party, riot in the streets.

Do what you have to do, but get it.

Or die.

Your choice.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('weirdo27', 'H')ow would i explain to my parents of years of being inside and wanting to be a business manager and go into networking my whole life and then decide to change to go into farming or something

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', 'J')ack: Please point me to the combined geological/economic models that allow me and others on this board to understand your firm conclusions on how peak oil will play out. I'd love to see them.