[Skye]

Medicvet, In my opinion, www.seedsofchange.com and www.cooksgarden.com are the best (organic/heirloom) seed suppliers. I've been using seed from them for over ten years and I've had no problems. I have however purchased "organic/heirloom" seed from other suppliers in the past and had poor results. They should have explanations on their sites as to the benefits of growing from organic/heirloom seed. One of which is being able to save seed from crops (if you need/want to) instead of having to buy new seeds every year as the "monsanto" seeds do not allow this.

[energyaddict]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meekoil', 'D')amn, I'm in Atlanta, and thinking about heading to the all night ChinaMart to get some more cans. Both cars were filled on Sunday, and I have 12.5 gallons in the garage.

[OurDoom]

There was a piece on ABC World News Now's "American Landscape" segment from KTBS in Shreveport, LA this morning that serves as a preview of how people will react when widespread gas lines and shortages begin occurring. Gas lines in a town in northeast Louisiana were about two hours long with cars lined up as far as the eye could see, and people were storing gas in anything they had that could possibly contain it, even empty tonic bottles and open coffee mugs.

This sort of frenzied hoarding is exactly what I expect to happen in the rest of the USA once there are gas lines and shortages. I wasn't around during the fuel crises of the 70's, but somehow I don't remember stories of people hoarding gasoline in whatever containers they had with them in their cars. People simply aren't going to be willing to wait in 2 hour long gas lines once those occur over widespread areas with the fast pace of living today, and after waiting in those long lines you can bet people will be buying a hell of a lot more gas than only enough to fill up their gas tank.

[BabyPeanut]

I'm starting this thread to deal with so many stories about different fuel shortages now. Please post stories about fuel shortages here rather than scattering them in multiple threads. Thanks.

[BabyPeanut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/31/business/31air.html]Carriers Are Stricken by Cancellations and Lack of Fuel (link)[/url]
By MICHELINE MAYNARD 31 Aug 2005
The airline industry felt the brunt of Hurricane Katrina yesterday, with some airports running low on jet fuel...And with gasoline selling for upward of $3 a gallon in some parts of the country, versus $1.88 for jet fuel, Mr. Heimlich said the airlines were worried that refineries might choose to produce gasoline rather than jet fuel, which would be less in demand...

[BabyPeanut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=3786825]Some stations report sporadic gas shortages (link)[/url]
PHOENIX Some independent gas stations in the Phoenix area reported spot shortages yesterday.
A combination of refinery outages and a surge in demand left some pumps dry.

[BabyPeanut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050831/BUSINESS/508310395]Fuel shortages, refinery damage could hit wallets (link)[/url]
By Norm Heikens norm.heikens (at) indystar.com
Hurricane Katrina slapped Indianapolis with the prospect of fuel shortages Tuesday.
At least one refiner serving the Indianapolis area already is reporting shortages of crude oil, and one of the area's largest natural gas companies plans to raise prices.
Other refiners say their supplies haven't been disrupted.

[BabyPeanut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.turnto10.com/news/4916217/detail.html]Storm Causes Gasoline Lines, Shortages (link)[/url]
Drivers May Be Worried About Price Increases 30 Aug 2005
Some gas stations are out of regular unleaded fuel, after drivers lined up to beat price increases that are expected to follow Hurricane Katrina.
The storm has disrupted oil production in the Gulf of Mexico.
One retailer in Greenville, N.C., sold 1,500 gallons of gas in 90 minutes Monday. Other stations put signs and plastic bags over pumps signaling they had run out.

The South Carolina Petroleum Marketers Association said in a news release that "several fuel suppliers on the pipelines in (South Carolina) are currently out of fuel."
The group urged consumers to conserve fuel and "bear with the petroleum industry as we assess the damages and make repairs."
Experts urged that consumers can drive up the prices if they start hoarding gas and creating long lines, Indianapolis television station WRTV said.
"If the demand goes up and the supply is not enough to keep up with it, that makes the prices go up," Indiana Deputy Attorney General Brent Embrey said. "Everybody sticking to their normal pattern helps even that out the best we can."

The Pantry convenience store chain, with 1,300 stores in the Southeast, asked customers to restrict driving. The chain said about 90 percent of its supply comes from the Gulf of Mexico.
In Sioux Falls, S.D., up to 15 cars lined up at a gas station Monday. One man said gasoline costs him one-fourth of the $598 he receives each month in Social Security disability benefits.

[seb]

Shortage, already? It's only sporadic but I am surprised.
The sh*t is flying to the fan... impact in a few days!
The price difference between refineries and retailers is about half a dollar. But in case of a shortage, the difference is likely to widen. I expect $4 a gallon very soon... which is still quite cheap compared to Europe and Japan.

[BabyPeanut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seb', 'S')hortage, already? It's only sporadic but I am surprised.

[seb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seb', 'S')hortage, already? It's only sporadic but I am surprised.

[BabyPeanut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=43571]Storm brings $3 gas to some Mich. stations (link)[/url] BY ALEJANDRO BODIPO-MEMBA FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER 31 Aug 2005
...skip... While there were lines of two or three cars waiting to fill up at some stations Tuesday, officials at AAA Michigan don't want consumers to panic.
"There may be spot shortages here and there, but it's a temporary issue until we see what happens with refinery production," said Jim Rink, a spokesman for AAA Michigan.
"To preserve inventories, some producers are slowing down production so they don't run out of inventory," he said.
"Consumers shouldn't panic, because if they do they will create a full-blown shortage and then no one will have any gas. We want to avoid a situation where a short-term problem turns into a more severe one."
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[BabyPeanut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.the-dispatch.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050831/APN/508310535&cachetime=5]Buncombe County residents asked to conserve fuel (link)[/url]
AP State News 31 Aug 2005 1:42AM
Residents of one western North Carolina county were asked to conserve fuel and government agencies were told to limit nonessential travel because of the possible effect of Hurricane Katrina on fuel and natural gas supplies.
Jerry VeHaun, Buncombe County emergency services director, said in a statement Tuesday that fuel and natural gas pipelines in Mississippi and Louisiana that provide fuel to suppliers in western North Carolina have lost power.

Officials estimate that power may be restored in 24 to 48 hours, although crews continue to evaluate pipelines, VeHaun said.
"Don't make any unnecessary trips until this is over," VeHaun advised residents "It's not going to be a long-term thing, I don't think."
Under further updates are available - which should occur Wednesday - the city and county will limit nonessential travel that doesn't impact public safety and health services, VeHaun said.
"If it's a critical service, for example the emergency service - fire, law enforcement, EMS - it won't affect that service," VeHaun said. "But other departments that have vehicles, they'll only be making what's absolutely necessary."

If the shortage continues, VeHaun said, officials may halt social services inspections, building inspections and other services.
Madison County may also take measures to conserve fuel, said Stewart Coats, director of emergency management.
Asheville's buses were expected to run on schedule Wednesday, city spokeswoman Lauren Bradley said, and city officials will try to maintain bus service when they re-evaluate conservation efforts Wednesday.
VeHaun also urged citizens not to react to the power outage until additional information is available.

Effects of the threat of a fuel shortage were felt across North Carolina. For example, along West Wendover Avenue in Greensboro, some places already were charging $3 for regular unleaded gas Tuesday night.
Wholesale gas prices from the Gulf of Mexico, where the Charlotte region gets most of its gas, reached $3 a gallon Tuesday.
"If I pay $3 for it, I'll have to charge $3 for it," said Jim Crump, who runs nine convenience stores in Hickory, Lenoir and Morganton.
Even though Wilmington may be affected less than the rest of the state - its gasoline supply arrives by tanker or barge - prices still jumped Tuesday and a wholesaler warned of possible temporary shortages.

Bill Hobbs of Wilmington sells to convenience stores and some major retailers. He said individual stations may run out of gas at times but that drivers probably will be able to fill up if they check back.
Lewis Efird, president of Gastonia-based United Oil of the Carolinas, said motorists should expect to see gas, especially regular, run out for a day or so at some stations late this week.
Tiara Kitt skipped an early-morning fill-up Tuesday morning when the price at a nearby convenience store was $2.49 per gallon. Three hours later, at 8 a.m., the price was $2.65 a gallon at the same store, she said.
"I don't have a choice," Kitt said as she filled up the tank of her Ford Windstar.

Sales at Greenville gas stations were slower Tuesday afternoon than they were Monday night, when vehicles lined up, sometimes more than 20 at a time at area stations, to fill up.
The average price of a gallon of unleaded regular gasoline, which was around $2.57 Monday, was anywhere from $2.57 to $2.83 by Tuesday afternoon.
At the Trade Mart on 10th Street, East Carolina University student Safa Sheppherd was filling up her car after the station's regular unleaded supplies were replenished about 2 p.m. The station, however, was still out of plus gasoline.
Sheppherd said though she was not concerned about an increase, she was with about seven of her Kappa Delta sorority sisters Monday evening waiting in lines during the rush.
"I don't believe in all the hype," Sheppherd said. "I am against the rush."

[nocar]

Backstop, you left out the ingenious plan suggested in Britain, just a month or so ago: Issue the same quota or ration to everyone, even non-drivers, and let people buy or sell their alloted amount if you want to.
For a change, this is a plan that benefits the poor, as they more often are without cars, or it they have one, drive less. They can sell their quota/ration and spend they money in things they like. And this advantage can be thought of as a fair compensation - those who previously have used little gasoline, deserve little blame for bringing on peak oil.

[BabyPeanut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-power3105aug31,0,4801513.story?coll=orl-news-headlines-state]Katrina's effect on power means Fla. brownouts (link)[/url]
Robert Perez | Sentinel Staff Writer 31 Aug 2005
Florida utility companies began rationing power Tuesday to hundreds of thousands of customers because of disruptions in natural-gas supplies caused by Hurricane Katrina.
Utility officials, who asked all customers in Florida to conserve electricity, warned that shortages could affect the state's ability to produce power for weeks and possibly months.

The brownouts are targeting homes, businesses and government offices that participate in voluntary energy-management programs. Power is being cut temporarily to air conditioners, water heaters and pool pumps during peak-demand periods.
Power is not being shut off completely to anyone and those not in an energy-saving program are unaffected.
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[seb]

At least this shows that officials are well aware of the very bad energy (more precisely gas must be the worst) situation. It's the first time I hear they anticipate a problem (here shortages)... More to come! Enjoy!

[pup55]

API gas station info According to this source, the "typical gas station", whatever that is, has a storage capacity of 30-40 thousand gallons of gas.
Also, at 180,000 gas stations and 15.8 million barrels per day fuel consumption, that's about 2200 gallons per day per station.
This means 15 days of storage or less before the proverbial "average gas station" whose supply chain runs through Louisiana will completely run out. Probably more like 7, assuming half full/half empty at the time of the storm.

It all depends on the buffer stocks that are held at the local terminals in the major metropolitan areas around the country, which we all know have about 20 days supply at current consumption levels.
Also, we are heading into labor day weekend, one of the big vehicle travel weekends, so you can figure within the next day or two, this will be a major story, if not sooner. It would not be at all surprising to see some form of rationing start by next week in some areas.
Also note: During the 70's it was pretty common for the gas companies to allocate fuel based on the volume of gas that a station was pumping i.e. the "high volume" stations were the ones to get their replacement shipments first, so it will not necessarily do you any good to look for gas in some out-of-the-way station because those are the people that get cut off first.

[BabyPeanut]

Little "no-name" gasoline stations (as opposed to the "majors", Exxon/Shell/Chevron/etc.) buy their gasoline from the majors on the wholesale market. The major's outlet stations get first dibs so when there are shortages the wholesale gasoline runs out first. This cause the price of the no-name stations to exceed the major's outlets. If you see no-name gasoline prices rise and stick above major's then you can make guesses about the wholesale market.

[thorn]

This guy has the right idea...
He's filling up a 1,500 gal tank!!
I guess this is what we look forward to when the empty oil barrel hits the fan.


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[RiverRat]

I challenge anyone to find a fuel efficient vehicle in the photo above.
I see NONE ... I can't even see one in the far background.
Pathetic ...