[Jaymax]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', 'G')as rationing by coupon is socialism; equal division of output based on non market mechanisms. This produces stagnation, overconsumption, lack of innovation, and much human suffering. Rationing based on ability to pay is freedom; unequal division rewarding the most capable. This produces innovation, saving, and human advance within the constraints of nature.
You socialist shoud own up to your need to be taken care of, you feelings of inadequacy, and your negative effect on society in general.

[TheInterloafer]

Toecutter, GM ... pushing electric cars??? LOL LOL LOL
Today, today, GM announced that its betting its future on SUVs and pickup trucks. I'm not making this up.

There's a reason GM bonds are junk:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')eneral Motors Corp. (GM) plans to continue to build its U.S. market strategy on the large truck segment, despite high gasoline prices and what appears to be softening demand for large SUVs.
"The category for us has been essential to our success in the late 1990s and the early part of this decade," Paul Ballew, executive director global market and industry analysis, said Tuesday during a meeting with investors and industry analysts.

[NTBKtrader]

Tue Aug 2005 30 22:23:23 ET link
Metro Atlanta drivers are facing the possibility of paying considerably more than $3 a gallon for gas by Labor Day -- if they can get it at all, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution is reporting Wednesday.
The two pipelines that bring gasoline and jet fuel to the region are down -- powerless to pump as Hurricane Katrina wreaked havoc on electrical infrastructure.
The metro Atlanta region generally has about a 10-day supply of gasoline in inventory, said BP spokesman Michael Kumpf. The pipelines have been down for two days.

Alpharetta, Ga.-based Colonial Pipeline Co., cut off from its suppliers on the Gulf Coast, is now pumping gas from huge storage tanks, many in Powder Springs, Ga. Whether electric power can be restored to the pipeline pumps before supplies run out is "the great uncertainty ... that hangs over all of us," said Daniel Moenter, a spokesman for Marathon Ashland Petroleum, a major supplier of metro Atlanta's fuel.
Developing... link

[bp_jason]

CPL pipeline is the largest in the world, they ship 2.5mb a day. CPL ships products from Houston to the NY harbor. If they are down for more than a few days this will disrupt supply across the eastern US. PPL piple is also down, a very large percentage of products are shiped though these two pipelines.

[bentstrider]

Ever since I began riding my bicycle all the time several months ago, I only use about five gallons each month.
Although it totally sucks when someone in the family asks for gas money.
If it get's really bad, I'll probably have me a new one ripped, due to my views.

[NTBKtrader]

colonial pipeline system map: link

[EnemyCombatant]

I'm here in Atlanta. I was out tonight and so no gas shortage.
I will check in the morning and periodically thereafter. I will try to confirm/refute the story.

[jdmartin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') will check in the morning and periodically thereafter. I will try to confirm/refute the story.

[NTBKtrader]

plantation pipeline system map: link

[medicvet]

Hey, I don't know about anyone else, but I peruse and am part of a few other messageboard websites..
others are starting to put two and two together..
gas prices roughly across the board have on average risen .40 cents a gallon in less than 24 hours, with another .30 cent a gallon increase expected.
Katrina isn't the cause of all of this, or if she is, she is only the harbringer of things to come..

Dammit, I wish I had planted a garden this past year, but am damn sure doing it this spring..
and while some may be wondering about the price of gas..I am far more concerned about the price of groceries..I do have food..but am going to be getting more..and buying seeds.
I heard some talking about organic seeds being far better than the 'monsanto' ...why and can you point me to places online to buy the best seeds for vegetables from? ty.

[meekoil]

Here's the link to the story: link
Damn, I'm in Atlanta, and thinking about heading to the all night ChinaMart to get some more cans. Both cars were filled on Sunday, and I have 12.5 gallons in the garage.

[The_Toecutter]

Did I not say GM was against electric vehicles? I know they're betting the future on SUVs and that they're $300 billion in debt. Peak oil will kill them off since they made bad choices years back, unless big government keeps propping them up with our hard earned tax dollars(which will likely happen).

[Liamj]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', 'G')as rationing by coupon is socialism; equal division of output based on non market mechanisms.

[EnemyCombatant]

Betcha, I'll beat ya there.

[Macsporan]

Free Market pieties aside, rationing works very well.
The nutrition standards and health of the English people actually rose during the Second World War and declined after rationing was discontinued.
When TSHTF rationing will have to be brought in or society will disintergrate in the manner that these doomers circling overhead anticipate.
Societies that do will survive, those that hold to archaic capitalist fairy-tales will cease to exist.
Your choice.

[NeoLotus]

Oh crap. Why THIS year? I've got a garden and hoping for enough to can for winter. Good point about getting more gas cans!

[advancedatheist]

Today I tried to buy regular unleaded at the gas station associated with the Fry's supermarket in Prescott Valley, Arizona, but it was out. It had the higher octanes available, however.

[joewp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('advancedatheist', 'T')oday I tried to buy regular unleaded at the gas station associated with the Fry's supermarket in Prescott Valley, Arizona, but it was out. It had the higher octanes available, however.

[trendal]

"Coincidental" shortages are the last thing we need right now
"Coincidences" have a nasty habit of being the straw to break the camel's back. It's the little, unanticipated events which add up to push the big events over the edge.

[backstop]

Leaving aside the objections of a free market ideology (that has now so clear demonstrated its efficiency at leaving the poor to drown in New Orleans,) there are some useful advances now possible over the WWII system of petrol rationing.
Ist, the ration is issued to all licence holders, adjusted in volume for those serving the community under democratic authority or in vital trades. Firemen-commuters, farm pick-ups and private ambulance for instance.
2nd, the ration is used in part or whole at any gas station, with the holder having the right to trade any surplus at the market price in that county or state.
3rd. Where a county'or state ran a market price well below par, the state would have the right to buy surplus rations from brokers to sell to other states.

This is no more than a first draft of an idea of the tradable fuel allocation, but it acheives several ends.
1st, Equity - all drivers are ensured a basic no frills supply.
2nd. Those crass enough to continue to drive unusually innefficient vehicles or high mileages get to pay the market rate for that privilege.
3rd. Those who choose to get beyond petrol-fuelling have a direct monthly income to offset the costs of doing so.
No doubt there are many anomallies in this basic outline - I guess it needs a drawknife rather than a spokeshave as yet, but I'd be interested to see what people make of the general idea.