[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', 'B')y the way, Ludi. As soon as you take me away, you place the experiment in a controlled situation, which we can't say the supposeable die-off is the equivilant to a scientific experiment in a controlled area. Doesn't work.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', 'S')o are you trying to tell me that there just isn't enough sun for us to get the energy we need. And I have a hard time believing that solar is .001% of the energy accessible to man if you're comparing it to oil. According to this article, it can supply energy for the whole United States in an area that's equal to 9% of Nevada. Please explain.

[backstop]

JudoCow -

just so you'll maybe cease showing off your scientific illiteracy,

I'd point out that the article you're quoting has been very badly hyped, for whatever reason, and you appear to have fallen for it.

It says "100 square miles" when it should say "100 miles square", which is of course 10,000 square miles. Bit of a difference, just X 100 . . .

It is 10,000 square miles that is roughly 9% of Nevada, whose area is 109,865 square miles.

regards,

Backstop

[JudoCow09]

You apparently don't seem to get what I'm saying. You are taking away a variable, or something that effects the expirement. Eliminating variables does not work once something outside the controlled enviroment is used. It's like saying you were to drop this object in the middle of the desert. You're picking conditions that favor the success of the experiment. You could say the object will fall, but you can't say it will hit the ground.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', 'Y')ou apparently don't seem to get what I'm saying. You are taking away a variable, or something that effects the expirement. Eliminating variables does not work once something outside the controlled enviroment is used. It's like saying you were to drop this object in the middle of the desert. You're picking conditions that favor the success of the experiment. You could say the object will fall, but you can't say it will hit the ground.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', 'Y')ou apparently don't seem to get what I'm saying. You are taking away a variable, or something that effects the expirement. Eliminating variables does not work once something outside the controlled enviroment is used. It's like saying you were to drop this object in the middle of the desert. You're picking conditions that favor the success of the experiment. You could say the object will fall, but you can't say it will hit the ground.

[JudoCow09]

That doesn't change the fact that something can interfere with the fall.

Let's say a relative was over, or a cat walked under it. Not me, but anything. The same idea applies to Liebig's Law. Something can interfere. Liebig's Law applies to all species, yet did we ever consider a major variable that no other species has called imagination?

Anyway, so you're saying that .001% of all energy we produce is solar? And have you ever considered advancements in solar technology? There not here now apparently, but there's a few years to go, and some isn't half bad now like the Stirling Engine Technology.

Did you know 25% of the U.S. is powered by electricity from nuclear and hydro? So what's stopping us from building 4 times as many hydro and nuclear plants to answer our energy needs? Technology advances, and the world moves right on beside it.

[Z]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')hat you are saying makes NO sense!

Argh!

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', 'T')hat doesn't change the fact that something can interfere with the fall.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Z', '
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I predict this thread will end up in the Hall of Flame. I call this 'the law of contrarian views'. It's when an optimist and a pessimist try to convince each other of the rightness of their views ...

[JudoCow09]

*sigh*

Listen. There is a chance that object will not hit the floor. The chance could be great, or it could be minimal. What if you dropped an object of a building onto a busy street? Would it still hit the ground? YOU dropping an object in YOUR room is one example. In my sister's room, it would never reach the actual floor because there is so much garbage covering the floor. What if the object was tied to helium balloons? All different situations, all with different results.

[sameu]

people please

the concept is realy not so hard to grasp

no one can predict the future with 100% certainty, and especially not something like the status of the entire planet
we people can't even tell when peak oil will happen (not by year let alone the exact month and day)
and trust me there are a lot of 'laws' who hmmm, suddenly didn't quite coresponded with the things that happened
A few hundred years ago, everybody knew that the earth was flat. If you could google back then, every website would have told you the same. The earth being flat wasn't a speculation, it was a fact.
Don't forget, the physical laws are based on induction, water cooks at 100°celsius @1atm, we checked it, billion times, so we can say it cooks @ 100°, but nothing assures me that tomorow it will still cook at 100°
I'd bet all my money on it, but I wouldn't risk my life for it.

Monte and everybody else who is so sure: isn't there any slight remote possibility that you overlooked something, or that there will take events place who you simply couldn't foresee, and that you would have to say, well be darned, who on earth could of guessed that? Maybe you have every possible variable checked and rechecked, but isn't it possible that there is something you simply can't factor in? That you'll have to say, yes but that was impossible for me to know at that time...

Je pense donc je suis...

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', 'T')hat doesn't change the fact that something can interfere with the fall.

Let's say a relative was over, or a cat walked under it. Not me, but anything. The same idea applies to Liebig's Law. Something can interfere. Liebig's Law applies to all species, yet did we ever consider a major variable that no other species has called imagination?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sameu', 'M')onte and everybody else who is so sure: isn't there any slight remote possibility that you overlooked something, or that there will take events place who you simply couldn't foresee, and that you would have to say, well be darned, who on earth could of guessed that? Maybe you have every possible variable checked and rechecked, but isn't it possible that there is something you simply can't factor in? That you'll have to say, yes but that was impossible for me to know at that time...

[MonteQuest]

You guys wish to question the biology behind the die-off predictions, then focus on that which predicts it! Overshoot, not Liebig's Law, as it merely predicts what the die-off will turn on....the root cause. The limiting factor. The trigger.

Why is this so hard to grasp? This is high school biology, for christ sakes!

[JudoCow09]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou can imagine yourself all day not eating, drinking, breathing, or seeking shelter from a CAT 5 hurricane, but it won't change a thing. If you don't, you will die.

[JudoCow09]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy is this so hard to grasp? This is high school biology, for christ sakes!

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy is this so hard to grasp? This is high school biology, for christ sakes!

[JudoCow09]

A stalemate. Until we meet again.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', 'A') stalemate. Until we meet again.