[JudoCow09]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', 'B')e more of the realists here.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', 'B')e more of the realists here.

[sameu]

ok, but what are the facts here

peak oil is going to happen
we don't know when
we don't know if there will be any solution to this problem (not very likely but possible)
we don't know how steep the decline will be
we don't know when and how the governments will react (but they'll play an important role)
we don't know how the masses will react
there will be consequences, things will change, but again, we don't know how severe these things will be

to sum up, we that know peak oil will happen and that there will be consequences to that

everything else is speculation
simple as that

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sameu', 'e')verything else is speculation
simple as that

[Guest]

Yes it is. You can't call the future. It's not possible to know what is going to happen when it hasn't happened. And you contradict everything you say.

You just told us all that stuff wasn't speculation yet your speculation has been on so far. Careful how you word things.

Finally, all those things may be true if PO had happened. We aren't prepared yet. We can't support now. And although we appear in the path of Liebig's law, you don't even know if we can apply it to us right now. Otherwise, you'd contradict your own writings.

[backstop]

Guest,

I'm amused at just how like JudoCow you sound. No, that's wrong, not like, but identical to JudoCow in one of her more vapid phases.

As a guest you would do well to show more courtesy to members, and refrain from making sweeping allegations unsupported by any references whatsoever.

They make you appear merely juvenile, crude and petty.

If you have anything serious to contribute then please do so.

Otherwise, desist.


regards

Backstop

[backstop]

JudoCow,

It would be well, as you grow up from your present age of, I think you said 15, if you learned to speak for yourself. Snide and offensive remarks such as:

"Monte, few people think you're a realist because any part of your statements that's opinion usually is negative"

are not only patently untrue - Monte's realism, unlike your complacency, is very widely respected both on this site and in normal life - those remarks also have no place on this forum.

If you want to play petty little ego games then you are free to post in the Hall of Flames or, alternatively, to return to your school playground.

I hope you understand that your present conduct is simply innapproriate here ?


Regards,

Backstop

[highlander]

Mac wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n point of fact most people throughout time, to judge from their actions, have been content to raise their families on their little plot of land taking the good with the bad and striving to stay out of trouble. Generally speaking they have only rebelled when misgovenment, oppression and warfare have prevented them from going about their humble lives for long periods of time.

[Jaymax]

Generally, the points you make below are lacking words like 'sufficiently' (before prepared), or lacking a reference time wrt peak etc; however that aside:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sameu', 'e')verything else is speculation
simple as that

[MonteQuest]

And posts like the above are why I continue to "speculate" like I do.

God help us...

[Jaymax]

The difference is, that even though I fundamentally agree with the great majority of your speculations, I understand that that is what they are.

That leaves me open to continually questioning and challenging my beliefs and speculations - god help me indeed if I ever become as sure of my future as you. I've got a lot of respect for you MonteQuest, but it does not extend to your ability to know the future.

Regards,

--J

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jaymax', 'T')he difference is, that even though I fundamentally agree with the great majority of your speculations, I understand that that is what they are.

That leaves me open to continually questioning and challenging my beliefs and speculations - god help me indeed if I ever become as sure of my future as you. I've got a lot of respect for you MonteQuest, but it does not extend to your ability to know the future.

Regards,

--J

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jaymax', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'T')hat our current civilization is unsustainable is not speculation.

[Jaymax]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jaymax', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'T')hat our current civilization is unsustainable is not speculation.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jaymax', '.').. but I've found that as soon as I start, I get from one of your 'disciples' either the kind of nonsense, miss-the-point responses such as the one at top...

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jaymax', 'R')egardless, while I truly do respect your constant use of referenced evidence, I suspect you look for evidence that supports, rather than challenges your entrenched position.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jaymax', ' ')I'd love to debate some of the points I disagree with you on, properly and in public - but I've found that as soon as I start, I get from one of your 'disciples' either the kind of nonsense, miss-the-point responses such as the one at top, or even less thought out "ooh look another BiGG", or worse someone apologising to you for my supposed lack of intellect, or abuse in private messages - and frankly because of that I can't be arsed.

[JudoCow09]

And the sun has to blow up some time. That is fact.

Or is it? Maybe our sun is different. Maybe we will find a way to stop this by feeding it what it needs to stay in this stage.

He's right. You can't call the future. It's what I've been trying to say. You can't even say logic applies to every place in the universe. You don't know what happens in a black hole. Maybe the Laws we know don't apply there. You don't know. You, right now, can't know.

Maybe the dollar will come down. Maybe we are subject to Liebig's Law. But did you ever consider if the degree we are effected is not at all, or if the dollar never changed? It's a possibility. We just chose to say it was speculation rather than go through stages.

Please don't go on to insult me with one of those pointy stick comments. It's unnecessary. I'm telling you facts. Does pie ever end? No. Do circles have a beginning and end? No. Some things never end.

The world's blind. In different ways, but everyone is blind somehow.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', ' ')You can't even say logic applies to every place in the universe.

[JudoCow09]

That is opinion. Everyone THINKS the US dollar will go down. Googling for people who THINK the same thing you do doesn't mean it's still possible that it will never happen. I don't care what other people THINK will happen. I want you to understand that just because half the world THINKS it will happen doesn't mean it will. Heck, half the world THINKS they'll continue this lifestyle, but you don't agree with them, do you?

And please just cut out the rude remarks. There's no need to insult me every time you make a post.