[aflatoxin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bruin', 'M')any will most likely move as well to warmer areas.

[MD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflatoxin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bruin', 'M')any will most likely move as well to warmer areas.

[joewp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflatoxin', '
')I hope they stay out of the desert southwest. There isn't enough water for our current population as it is.

[hoplite]

HUrry, call the WAMBULANCE! If they all had invested in efficient (90+%) systems instead of band-aiding 20+ year old equipment the price increase would be manageable. I don't feel sorry for the idiot proles that can't see past their TV guide sitcom schedule. Let'em freeze.

[JBinKC]

It looks like the geothermal heat pump business will be booming

[basil_hayden]

Let's get real for a moment:

If folks can't afford a tank full of oil, they certainly can't afford a geothermal heat pump system, or a move to a warmer climate.

Having a 90%+ efficient burner in my home isn't going to stop me from paying double the cost of last year's oil bill.

Electric space heaters and the associated electric cost will still be more expensive than a full oil tank.

Speaking from personal experience, it is obvious that something has got to give this winter in the Northeast US - if I have to pay double gasoline and oil bills, other perks will be cut out of the picture, like cable tv, phone, and any food besides chicken and hot dogs. I predict the thermostat will be set at 55F in my home this winter, and I have plenty of sweaters and two Siberian Huskies to keep me warm.

I guess the decision to sign a lock-in contract is now made - time to lock in at 2.25 per gallon and hope the supply is there when it's needed, like February.

It appears I'll survive, but I worry about the retired and elderly. Dieoff scenarios always affect the youngest and oldest first.

[MD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', '
')It appears I'll survive, but I worry about the retired and elderly. Dieoff scenarios always affect the youngest and oldest first.

[aahala]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('falser', 'F')or as long as I can remember natural gas heating has been significantly cheaper than electric. Has this come into alignment now? I happen to be in an apartment with electric heat, will I be spared the excess cost this winter?

[BorneoRagnarok]

May I ask a question ??
What is heating oil ?? I don't know as the temperature is 28 C to 35 C in summer time. We don't need heating oil or heating wood over here. Short pant and normal cotton shirt are required unless you want to die of heat without air-con or fan. Resemble Miami, Florida.

One of my friend died in Melbourne,Australia. According to his mom, he accidently activate heater before he slept. Later he died in his sleep. Is there any automatic temperature control ??

Is it heavy kerosene ?? Or leaveover oil from the processing ??
I don't like cool temperature... 24 C is good enough...

[basil_hayden]

BR -

Home heating oil in the US is #2 oil, or diesel fuel. Heating oil is dyed diesel and is not taxed like the motor fuel diesel, it is exempt. Therefore, if you're driving a diesel truck, and you're pulled over for inspection, and the authorities find red fuel in your tank, they know you did not pay the tax, and you're screwed.

As far as people dying from heating, I'd have to guess that was more of a case of using something like a kerosene heater indoors without proper ventilation, these heaters are notorious for killing people in their sleep with carbon monoxide, or tipping over and starting fires.

I could never live in your climate, way too hot, in fact I'm in search of a place that never exceeds 75F, I don't really care how cold it gets, I can always put another blanket or sweater on.

[max_power29]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GoIllini', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bruin', 'I')ncomes have not and will not keep pace with these increased costs, so you can see how the dieoff will develop. Eventually families will not have enough income to pay for all the increased costs associated with declining energy production, and will be forced to do without. Doing without will ultimately have a deleterious effect on survival and the grave yards will start to fill up until population is down to a sustainable level given the reduced resource base.

There will be many invisible deaths occuring behing closed doors, first with the elderly and poor, but increasingly with the former middle class. But don't worry about the government people, cause they will take enough to keep themselves safe until even they find it difficult to make it.

[oilluber]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', 'I')ncomes have not and will not keep pace with these increased costs, so you can see how the dieoff will develop. Eventually families will not have enough income to pay for all the increased costs associated with declining energy production, and will be forced to do without. Doing without will ultimately have a deleterious effect on survival and the grave yards will start to fill up until population is down to a sustainable level given the reduced resource base.

There will be many invisible deaths occuring behing closed doors, first with the elderly and poor, but increasingly with the former middle class. But don't worry about the government people, cause they will take enough to keep themselves safe until even they find it difficult to make it.

[Snowrunner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflatoxin', 'I') hope they stay out of the desert southwest. There isn't enough water for our current population as it is.

[Dukat_Reloaded]

In Australia alot of people use propane gas for their heating. It's quite expensive but some of the people fill their tanks up at petrol stations designed to be used in gas powered cars. The gas for the cars is very low quality and when people used it to heat their homes the flame sometimes goes out and the gas kills then them. BTW it's illegal to use car gas to fill your bbq bottle or home heating tank but many do and save alot of $ but they are at higher risk of something going wrong. To fill up a BBQ bottle with car gas only costs $5 whereas it's $20 for the proper fuel. My understanding is that the gas is low quality and burns at a lower temp.

[basil_hayden]

I went for the contract, put it on the card to enable future disputing if needed. I was the last one they accepted and the form says it's not due until the end of the month. So I'm feeling lucky right now...

[SD_Scott]

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/25/pf/lock ... /index.htm

[Triffin]

Yep .. looks grim for us HHO users this winter ..
My supplier doesn't want to offer a contract at
all this year .. last time I checked his thinking
was 2.45-2.70 / gallon if offered at all .. At those
prices I'd just as soon take my chances and take
spot deliveries .. I use about 1500 gallons per year
for both domestic hot water and space heating .. I've
been considering investing in a ground source geothermal
system for space heating and on demand electric for the hot
water with a solar back-up .. My electric rates are 11c
per kwh .. so it might pay to switch if HHO stays 2.50
or higher .. sucks ..

Triff .. @gouged-in-sw-CT

[basil_hayden]

I locked in yesterday, for the first time ever, at 2.249/gallon in SE CT.

I feel it's clear prices per gallon will exceed this, now I hope Sullivan is right and the supply is there when I need it.

[aahala]

I bet I am going to get some flack for this, by I'll say it anyway.

Locking in a price is generally a bad idea. The people on the other side
of the transaction will usually know more about the future price dynamics
than you do. They aren't going to offer a better deal than they have to and
they should realize that consumers greatly prefer certainty over uncertainty, and will pay a premium for it.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Triffin', 'Y')ep .. looks grim for us HHO users this winter ..
My supplier doesn't want to offer a contract at
all this year .. last time I checked his thinking
was 2.45-2.70 / gallon if offered at all .. At those
prices I'd just as soon take my chances and take
spot deliveries .. I use about 1500 gallons per year
for both domestic hot water and space heating .. I've
been considering investing in a ground source geothermal
system for space heating and on demand electric for the hot
water with a solar back-up .. My electric rates are 11c
per kwh .. so it might pay to switch if HHO stays 2.50
or higher .. sucks ..

Triff .. @gouged-in-sw-CT