[Free]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', '
')This guy wrote an editorial against Cindy Sheehan. [link]. I wrote him to express my disagreement (you can write him here HJIMMY577@aol.com) and he wrote back with some very ugly comments on her, telling me I don't understand because I don't have Christ. He then forwarded me additional material he's written which calls her an idiot, and says she must be handled in a brutal way (my words, but he implied violence).

Ugly.

[jaws]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', 'T')his guy wrote an editorial against Cindy Sheehan. [link]. I wrote him to express my disagreement (you can write him here HJIMMY577@aol.com) and he wrote back with some very ugly comments on her, telling me I don't understand because I don't have Christ. He then forwarded me additional material he's written which calls her an idiot, and says she must be handled in a brutal way (my words, but he implied violence).

Ugly.

[SeasonOfPain]

I mentioned this on another thread, but imagine what would happen if Bush finally broke down and actually told everyone the real reason Iraq was invaded?

Not likely to happen, but I can't imagine more people not starting to figure this out on their own. I, for one, am actually fearful that this might happen, as that would probably be the moment TPTB decided that they had nothing more to lose.

OTOH, never underestimate the wilful ignorance of the American public.

[AirlinePilot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'A')irline Pilot--US, in percapita terms spends more on a couple of stealth aircraft than it does on foreign aid. Face it, your govt is pretty much a mob operation that siphons off your taxes and deposits them directly into the pockets of multinationals.

Hell, they're not even really doing "American" companies any favours. These corporations are transnational and skip out on American coroporate tax by registering their corporations in foreign tax havens. Why shill for your govt? It's unpatriotic. When you support your govt, you are actually undermining the real American spirit of enterprise, and the American rule of law. That makes you kind of a traitor, by definition, doesn't it?

I blame your left wing and your right wing, for dropping the ball. The right wing was so busy obsessing about 'liberals', (a non threat if there ever was one.) they didn't see what was coming. Right wingers turned the minor annoyance of the PC movement into a huge menace, while completely ignoring the fact that people were rotting in prison and the constitution being trashed, under the new drug search and seizure laws. Those laws set the tone and paved the way for the Patriot acts today.

The limp left, busy gazing at their navals and self improvement literature, neutered themselves politically. If they managed to pull themselves out of the apolitical trance, it was to take up issues, like radical feminism and other gender issues, while ignoring the big ones--like the gutting of the constitution, and class warfare. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

So now you have the Sopranos in power, and many Americans still can't see it. Garden variety political corruption, of the past, has changed in quantity, but more importantly in quality. Unfortunately, Airline, --You're going to have to live through the results

[EnemyCombatant]

Likely comeback for someone who can't debate the facts.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'A')irline Pilot--US, in percapita terms spends more on a couple of stealth aircraft than it does on foreign aid. Face it, your govt is pretty much a mob operation that siphons off your taxes and deposits them directly into the pockets of multinationals.

Hell, they're not even really doing "American" companies any favours. These corporations are transnational and skip out on American coroporate tax by registering their corporations in foreign tax havens. Why shill for your govt? It's unpatriotic. When you support your govt, you are actually undermining the real American spirit of enterprise, and the American rule of law. That makes you kind of a traitor, by definition, doesn't it?

I blame your left wing and your right wing, for dropping the ball. The right wing was so busy obsessing about 'liberals', (a non threat if there ever was one.) they didn't see what was coming. Right wingers turned the minor annoyance of the PC movement into a huge menace, while completely ignoring the fact that people were rotting in prison and the constitution being trashed, under the new drug search and seizure laws. Those laws set the tone and paved the way for the Patriot acts today.

The limp left, busy gazing at their navals and self improvement literature, neutered themselves politically. If they managed to pull themselves out of the apolitical trance, it was to take up issues, like radical feminism and other gender issues, while ignoring the big ones--like the gutting of the constitution, and class warfare. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

So now you have the Sopranos in power, and many Americans still can't see it. Garden variety political corruption, of the past, has changed in quantity, but more importantly in quality. Unfortunately, Airline, --You're going to have to live through the results

[AirlinePilot]

Oh geeze! Come on! I got no "game". I was attempting a bit of humor but obviously your warped ideas have twisted that somehow. It's quite amusing. You go right on believing what you will, convince yourself of whatever because your so blinded by your obvious hatred of anything to do with the US. I have no "game" and I don't really care what yours is. I can't deny that some of your assumptions are based on a bit of reasoning but you are so absolutely convinced of your theories, and believe me thats what they are, you cannot have an unbiased discussion without resorting to insults and condescension.

Yeah our government is messed up but I won't trade it in for another. Since you don't live here you cant see that we still have many institutions that remain outside national government at state and local levels which do resemble what our forefathers envisioned. Believe it or not, states still get to govern themselves and while the national levels do have corruption your estimates of that are on the slightly ridiculous side. Get over it, you aren't going to change anyones mind with your leftist diatribe. Although I have to admit your'e in good company on this site.

I come here to gather info about peak Oil and talk about it with intelligent people willing to share ideas. I occasionally like to add my opinions to these political and economic discussions because I feel I have something to add. If I have a "game" thats it. Unfortunately there are a lot of closed minds around here who don't see that. Not all, but most. Your banging up the wrong tree when you try and bait me with this crap. I don't give a F___ so stop wasting your time.

[CrudeAwakening]

When will Americans understand:

"Criticism of US" does NOT equal "hatred of US"

To deflect criticism as hatred is simply another means of stifling debate.

[EnemyCombatant]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Believe it or not, states still get to govern themselves

[threadbear]

Airline Pilot, Your comments that I was probably a Larouchie didn't seem to be meant in jest. I'm also not a 'leftist', though I like universal health care and govt funded infrastructure programs.

I don't hate America. Quite the contrary--I despise the neocons and neoliberals who are bent on destroying what was once a bastion of freedom, a shining example to the rest of the world. The US was a nation that gave everyone in the world hope-- Hope that they might one day emigrate there, or somehow manage to change their own countries to be more like it.

The Bush junta represents the death of democracy, domestically and the attempted squelching of democracy elsewhere.(Venezuela) Don't confuse my white hot rage about this with condescension for you. I certainly don't conclude from your posts, that you are intellectually or morally inferior.

The "it's not so bad" argument is not the kind of speech required to rally people behind the founding ideas and principals, that your country once stood for. I hope you will seriously consider what I'm saying here. I'm scared for your people and I'm scared for my people as we are just North of you.

There there, you can run along now. Now THAT is condescending.

[AirlinePilot]

Yeah it was thread, but no sweat! We are all going to work together because we will have to. I don't share your worries though. My worries center around the ignorance of the american public more so than the vagaries and corruption of our politics. This will be the real hurdle here I think. Changing the suburban mindset without major upheavel.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'Y')eah it was thread, but no sweat! We are all going to work together because we will have to. I don't share your worries though. My worries center around the ignorance of the american public more so than the vagaries and corruption of our politics. This will be the real hurdle here I think. Changing the suburban mindset without major upheavel.

[gary_malcolm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'Y')eah it was thread, but no sweat! We are all going to work together because we will have to. I don't share your worries though. My worries center around the ignorance of the american public more so than the vagaries and corruption of our politics. This will be the real hurdle here I think. Changing the suburban mindset without major upheavel.

[Golgo13]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Geology_Guy', 'O')K-so lets say we do what Cindy S. asks and all US troops leave Iraq. Just a question though-do we care what happens to Iraq after that point? If the Sunnis massacre Shia and Kurds we just ignore it right? No matter if women are oppressed by Sharia law we just stay out of it right? I am just wondering how we are going too approach these questions....

[OilsNotWell]

Les Visible: "God Bless You Cindy Sheehan"


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The Madness of Boy George and Me and You

Oh yes, President Mountain Bike, which is not such a far cry from President Mountebank, is going to hit the dirt harder than he ever did with his Clarabelle the Clown bike mishaps. He says that the Iraq War is going to make America safe while today on one of his crack whore media outlets, MSN.com, there is a big picture of masked men goose-stepping in cammies; lockstep marching to the new Pretoria, wherever the Hell that is. The following article explains how militias now run the country of Iraq. It’s sort of like if Idaho suddenly became America’s police force. The war is over. America lost.

Is that what they intended all along? Is this really a ‘wheels within wheels’ sort of thing where it looks like America loses but actually the bankers and merchants who run America won because somewhere, somehow they now have more power and more money than they did before? Arguably you have less money and freedom so someone won, but it wasn’t you. You lost. You lost big time. Since this ‘should be’, by default, some sort of pyrrhic solstice celebration; since you lost!!! I think it’s only fair that you should at least make their front men pay a terrible price. I think it’s time for the American Gothic heartland of this benighted coast to coast Wal-Mart to grab their pitch forks and shovels and go get the monster… but don’t forget Dr. Frankenstein this time. I think it’s time to storm the castle and take them out into the street and take off their clothes and paint their asses red and make them sing show tunes...

[Gigawatta]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON - Cindy Sheehan, the California woman who has used her son's death in Iraq to spur the anti-war movement, was arrested Monday while protesting outside the White House.

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Sheehan and several dozen other protesters sat down on the sidewalk after marching along the pedestrian walkway on Pennsylvania Avenue. Police warned them three times that they were breaking the law by failing to move along, then began making arrests.

[EnemyCombatant]

Correction: It was more than 300,000.

I was there.

[erl]

Did you do a head count?

[PlanComplete]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'C')orrection: It was more than 300,000.

I was there.

[EnemyCombatant]

That's impossible. Who has the time?

But when the streets are packed all the way from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave to behind the obelisk you get an idea. And the mall was full.

Also, the march took over 5 hours. Just an endless sea of people walking towards the white house. I stayed in one position and filmed the people going by for hours. This is how I know.

However, the counter convention in NYC was even bigger with 400,000.