[Geology_Guy]

Listen-the guy may have been trying to intimidate the protestors-I don't know. As for shooting off the gun during the middle of the night its obvious he was not hunting, but he does have the right to shoot his own gun on his own property in rural TX. Have you ever been to rural TX? There is not a lot to do other than shoot off guns for fun and/or hunting.

[EnemyCombatant]

Now we are in agreement.

I concede that he has the right to shoot his gun everynight. I am pro 2nd amendment.

But to try to cover for with a dove story is insulting everyone's intelligence.

He should just admit he did it to intimidate/harass the protesters. It's perfectly legal and he can do it everynight if he wishes.

I have no problems with that.

[Geology_Guy]

I am glad to hear you agree. My only point with the dove business is that it is very likely that the guy is a dove hunter. Sure maybe his motivation was too scare the neigbors a little. They are not camping out in the Catskills-this is rural TX. I bet well over 1/2 of the people of Crawford have gun racks in their pickups. Even here in KS on a nice summer evening in the country you wil hear guns going off. As for shooting off guns in the middle of the night maybe he had one too many Fat Tires.

It just amuses me that such a thing made the news-rancher fires gun on TX ranch!

[EnemyCombatant]

Well, it ought to be breaking news.

If my neighbor started firing rounds and I knew they were meant as a form of initmidation, I'd be quite concerned.

This is how I grew up. My parents and the neighbors would fire guns in order to initmidate each other.

Put that in the context of a protest against the war makes it newsworthy. It's initimidation of protestors. That's a problem no matter what side you fall on.

You don't want anybody firing guns at pro life rallies?? And neither do I.

I'm used to the police trying to initmidate protesters. But a fellow citizen. That sux!

[medicvet]

I love that comment about Moore and Limbaugh..that one was priceless, and I feel the same way~!

Now, as to Rush, I think perhaps the best way he can be compared is that of a modern day Father Coughlin.

[JeeBoomba]

Speaking as your typical bleeding heart, knee jerk pinko faggot commie liberal, I love the US. I've seen a decent fraction of the rest of the Western world, I'm educated, I have friends from all over the world, I know plenty about other cultures, and I prefer the US. I love this country.
So you can take your "libruls hate the US" BS and shove it.

[JoeW]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('some_guy282', 'A') dangerous way to sum it up?

[medicvet]

I've got news for ya'll. One can know that Bush lied..not be able to stand limbaugh..listen to npr over right wing am radio nonsense..

and still think that us being in Iraq is a good thing. For the Iraqis. Also, for the soldiers that happen to believe in what they are doing for the Iraqi people.

During desert storm, soldiers tripped over themselves to surrender, and it was just as much fear of sodamn insane as it was of the superior firepower of the US. After the fighting was over, many didn't want to be repatriated but begged for asylum.

So tell me, just how bad do things have to be when yer a POW who doesn't want to go home?

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JoeW', 'S')pecOp, the problem is that you have been listening to Rush's warped interpretation of the liberal agenda, rather than listening to an actual liberal. I am a proud liberal, so let me make it clear:
1) the war in Iraq: we want to hear President Dumba$$ say why we're really there.

[Specop_007]

Keep in mind Jope, when I say "You" i dont necesarily mean you as an individual, but you as the collective left.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('medicvet', 'I')'ve got news for ya'll. One can know that Bush lied..not be able to stand limbaugh..listen to npr over right wing am radio nonsense..

and still think that us being in Iraq is a good thing. For the Iraqis. Also, for the soldiers that happen to believe in what they are doing for the Iraqi people.

[dgacioch]

This discussion brings back to me why I almost never listen to the radio or even watch television news discussion panels any more. The insulting nature of folks on both sides of the fence accomplishs nothing. Its always the "bleeding heart liberals" and the "neo-conservative facist nazi's" crap being spewed by both sides. There is literally no intelligent debate going on this country today and that includes the media, the people, and our collective government. Issues that need to be intelligently debated and resolved do nothing but result in arguments that degrade into accusations and insults. Meanwhile nothing is accomplished and both sides end up blaming the other. Im as patriotic as the next guy, but I detest the inaction, corruption, and finger pointing which has become the trademarks of bolth political parties and all branchs of our government. For that matter I detest the paid media stooges who spew out this liberal and conservative crap with the sole purpose to anger and divide americans into two camps.

[skyemoor]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'F')unny PMS, I think this is Rush at his best. He hit it on the head precisely in how he described liberals in that rant.
Usually I dont pay Rush much attention as I think he really goes off on meaningless tangents.

But this one? He hit the target, dead center.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') am so sick of being attacked by no-neck geeks like you specialty cop 007.

yeah I am a liberal. I moved out of suburbia a lifetime ago to live in a big city so that I could take mass transit. I didn't own a car.

10 years ago I developed a polluted downtown timber mill into a cohousing project. We spent hundreds of thousands of dollars cleaning up diesel and oil that the anti-environmental pigs who worked their spilled on the ground just for fun.

We built a walkable community but I still need a car because the right-wingnuts like you who run this country fight mass transit every step of the way.

yeah I am a liberal. I spent years working in the organic food industry to wean the dumb shits in this country from petroleum agriculture and their obsese habits. I grow my own food. I get arrested in the woods protesting industrial timber operations that rape the land and fill in the salmon streams.

I have been working for a sustainable planet my whole life and you sit there in your basement in the dark with your tough-guy dreams judging me and my friends and my commuhnity. We are not socialists but we know what sharing is about. We know what community is about and we know what has destroyed our chance for a sustainable future.

Oh and I'll bet I've made a shitload more money in this capitalist system then you have.

[Roy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q')uote:
4) Illegal immigration: we are the ones who have been begging for border protection since 9/11. the right wing has the senate, the house, and the oval office, and they are NOT getting it done! for chrissakes, bush wants to give illegals working permits. $#@! permits, i say give them their walking papers. we can't take the chance that one of these illegals is just waiting for the right moment to attack our interests at home.


Funny, most liberal parties support it.
Who do you think sets up watering stations in the desert? Sure as hell aint conservatives!
Who do you think opposes the MinuteMen? Sure as hell aint the conservatives!
Who do you think pushed the PC correct way of labelling them, not as "illegals" but as "undocumented workers"? Sure as hell wasnt conservatives!!

[Specop_007]

[The_Virginian]

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