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THE Cindy Sheehan Thread (merged)

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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 01:39:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Hans Blix, the chief United Nations weapons inspector, stated unequivocally last night that Saddam Hussein had failed to disarm, greatly strengthening the American and British case for war.......

It goes on with some very damning evidence. I know, I know, damn me for using facts.


Then why oh why did the US order the weapons inspectors out if there were WMDs in Iraq.


Jesus, how long did you want to play Hide and Seek with Iraq?
This sint a game of Go Fish, this is chemical and biological agents!!
Maybe the inspectors were pulled because if your gonna horse around and play kids games on the world stage with deadly weapons your going to face military action.
This isnt recess in grade school, and you cant treat people like it was with a timeout.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The nerve agent VX is one of the most toxic ever developed.

Iraq has declared that it only produced VX on a pilot scale, just a few tonnes and that the quality was poor and the product unstable. Consequently, it was said, that the agent was never weaponised. Iraq said that the small quantity of agent remaining after the Gulf War was unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991.

UNMOVIC, however, has information that conflicts with this account. There are indications that Iraq had worked on the problem of purity and stabilization and that more had been achieved than has been declared. Indeed, even one of the documents provided by Iraq indicates that the purity of the agent, at least in laboratory production, was higher than declared.



Then why an all out invasion and occupation. Why not just destory the weapons -- which didn't exist anyway. Where was this nerve agent. Stuck up Chalabi's ass?


Maybe the invasion was to remove a oppressive, lying dictator from power?
The weapons were not destroyed because Saddam was hiding them. Goes back to playing Hide and Seek.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United Nations' top two weapons experts said Sunday that the invasion of Iraq a year ago was not justified by the evidence in hand at the time.

"I think it's clear that in March, when the invasion took place, the evidence that had been brought forward was rapidly falling apart," Hans Blix, who oversaw the agency's investigation into whether Iraq had chemical and biological weapons, said on CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer."



http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/03/21/iraq.weapons/

Read the book War on Iraq. The weapons inspectors were at first pressured to produce the goods on Iraq in the same manner Joseph Wilson was pressured to produce evidence about the yellow cake in Niger. The evidence was being cooked.

This is why they are criminals. They knowingly brought about false evidence in order to go to war.

And that's just the way it is.


Oh please. So you completely deny the evidence I've given. How convenient. I wouldnt call the UN a lapdog to America. But, you can choose to believe tinfoil hat websites run by wack jobs, or you can choose to believe documents produced by the UN. Your call.
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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 01:51:47

My source is CNN.
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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 01:55:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'M')y source is CNN.


Ahh, Communist News Network. :-D

My source is Hans Blix. You know, the guy in charge of the inspections in Iraq. Placed there by the UN.

The really funny thing is, the world clamored to "keep an eye" on Saddam. So the UN creates inspection teams.
They come back with evidence which would support an invasion of Iraq.
The world denies the evidence found by the very inspection teams they asked for.

Talk about walking blind. People just flat out dont want to hear bad news, to the point of denying evidence presented to them by a means they had asked for.
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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby Carlhole » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 02:04:27

Not a single Congressman's son or daughter went to Iraq. They know better.

If that simple-minded, gutless hand-puppet we call a President sent a daughter or two over there maybe more people would believe his lies. I have to admire Cindy Sheehan for squeezing balls that must be pretty hard to find.

I watched another disgusted Gold Star Mom yesterday on FOX's Bill O'Reilly corroborate what Cindy Sheehan had said of HER initial visit to the White House. Bush bullied up to inches in front of her face and intoned "I'm George Bush and I'm President of the United States!". She said it was completely obvious to her that the man who strutted and boasted in front of her cared not at all for any of the lives being torn apart and couldn't begin to register any sensitivity for them. Apparently he's not even smart enough to fake it!

O'Reilly tried to mess around with her but really couldn't. The best he could manage was to do all the talking. Anybody that tries to push a mother under tragic circumstances around just ends up looking like a mindless heartless idiot. That is what is deservedly happening to Bush.

What did shrub accomplish? What did Casey Sheehan die for in the end?

To establish an Islamic Republic in Iraq. No? Read tomorrow's Washington Post:

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U.S. Lowers Sights On What Can Be Achieved in Iraq
Administration Is Shedding 'Unreality' That Dominated Invasion, Official Says

By Robin Wright and Ellen Knickmeyer
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, August 14, 2005; Page A01

The Bush administration is significantly lowering expectations of what can be achieved in Iraq, recognizing that the United States will have to settle for far less progress than originally envisioned during the transition due to end in four months, according to U.S. officials in Washington and Baghdad.

Washington Post
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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 02:12:55

You know Carlhole, I think I caught that on Fox..... Not sure though, I came in about half way and wasnt giving it much attention as I was tied up at the time (Literally. Damned kinky redheads. :o )

I'm not saying Bush is the best Prez by ANY stretch of the imagination. Thats not what the argument is about.

Its simply my opinion that Cindys son was a mature individual who made his own choices, and Cindy should accept that and be proud of her son.
Not degrade his memory by prancing around on camera like some burned out hippie wanting one more fix.

So, lets just agree to disagree.
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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 02:18:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Ahh, Communist News Network.

My source is Hans Blix. You know, the guy in charge of the inspections in Iraq. Placed there by the UN.


Can't you read. They were quoting Hans Blix.
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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 02:20:11

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')Its simply my opinion that Cindys son was a mature individual who made his own choices, and Cindy should accept that and be proud of her son.


I don't think Casey signed up to fight in a war based on lies. He signed up to defend our country. And not against the vapor WMDs.
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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 02:28:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Its simply my opinion that Cindys son was a mature individual who made his own choices, and Cindy should accept that and be proud of her son.


I don't think Casey signed up to fight in a war based on lies. He signed up to defend our country. And not against the vapor WMDs.


I see no lies.

Believe what you will.
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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby Carlhole » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 02:34:57

Cindy Sheehan believes that the American public were lied to about the US motives for entering the Iraq War.

Of course, we were lied to! Big time! That's really not in dispute any longer - there are no WMD's in Iraq and you cannot impose a democracy at the point of a gun.

So Sheehan asks: "Why in hell did my boy die? I want an honest answer!"

She's entitled to an answer. All America is entitled to an answer.

If the US Governement asks it's impressionable, naive young people to lay down their lives, they better not lie about motives for war! And the leadership itself must be willing to sacrifice along with the herd.

This cabal we have in office doesn't sacrifice anything except other people's lives which they obviously don't respect. And this feeling is growing very rapidly among Americans.

It's about time that the government came out and admitted that this is an oil resource war and that a few members of the American corporate oligarchy stand to benefit the most from victory along with Israel.

Trouble is, if they had been truthful at the get-go, everyone would have done just like our politicos - NOTHING - no one would have risked his neck for Halliburton's bottom line or Ariel Sharon's Zionist agenda.
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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 02:41:08

You know Carlhole, you bring up a good point.
I work with a few Democrats. Some are the typical "No war for oil" type liberals.
Just the other day two of them were having a conversation about the price of gas.
One guy asks "How high does it have to get before the government does something".......

He drives an Expedition.

Think about it. Americans are by and large vocal and thats it. They scream, rant, yell and throw temper tentrums about all manner of things.
But come time to act, well, those people are few and fer between.

News flash! (And not necesarily for you). You cant drive a big fatass car getting 10 miles to the gallon, have cheap gas, low interest rates and NOT have a war. Thats just the nature of the beast.
Did Cindy do any REAL actions that should give me reason to support her?
Did she use the death benefits to buy solar panels? Did she trade in her car for a pedal bike? Did she even trade in her car at all?! Has she taken any ACTION that should lead anyone to address her concerns at all?
I cant say for sure, but I sure as hell doubt it.

If you want to make a real statement, buy solar panels, go energy efficient, buy a electric car THEN camp out at the Presidents Ranch and ask "Why".

Otherwise, people need to keep their greedy want-it-all pieholes shut.
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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby Macsporan » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 02:41:20

To whom it may concern:

Speckles is a sort of faux-fascist who has girlie hissy-fits at his keyboard, but is far too entirely gutless to join the army and risk is obese ass fighting those he claims to hate so much in foriegn lands.

He is an unfortunate individual who could play all of Dorathy's companions in the "Wizard of Oz" as he has no heart, no brain and no guts.

Don't waste your life disputing with him as he can neither think nor reason; only witlessly parrot whatever large-print right-wing website he is grunting along with at the time.

No with Speckles the only hygenic thing to do is give him your pity and hit the "ignore" button.
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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 02:41:51

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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 02:43:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Macsporan', 'T')o whom it may concern:

Speckles is a sort of faux-fascist who has girlie hissy-fits at his keyboard, but is far too entirely gutless to join the army and risk is obese ass fighting those he claims to hate so much in foriegn lands.

He is an unfortunate individual who could play all of Dorathy's companions in the "Wizard of Oz" as he has no heart, no brain and no guts.

Don't waste your life disputing with him as he can neither think nor reason; only witlessly parrot whatever large-print right-wing website he is grunting along with at the time.

No with Speckles the only hygenic thing to do is give him your pity and hit the "ignore" button.


Blah blah blah, same ole same ole same ole.

You ever gonna contribute anything MEANINGFUL to the topic??

Well, heres a hint for you. Take your own advice. Ignore button is that way ->
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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 02:47:04

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')If you want to make a real statement, buy solar panels, go energy efficient, buy a electric car THEN camp out at the Presidents Ranch and ask "Why".


You've got to be kidding. If you have children you must understand that solar panels is the last thing on your mind in this event.

If you don't have kids then any parent will tell you that.
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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 02:51:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')If you want to make a real statement, buy solar panels, go energy efficient, buy a electric car THEN camp out at the Presidents Ranch and ask "Why".


You've got to be kidding. If you have children you must understand that solar panels is the last thing on your mind in this event.

If you don't have kids then any parent will tell you that.


So she wants the "American Lifestyle" and isnt willing to compromise on that.
Seems pretty cut and dried to me.

Do I feel for her? Sure. ANYONE losing a child has my sympathy.

But that doesnt change the simple fact of the matter.
The American lifestyle wont be compromised. (Whether thats good or bad is up to you to decide).
And sometimes sacrafices must be made so we can keep living in big, unnecesary houses and drive big, unnecesary vehicles, eat 3 times the amount of food we need, have low interest rates, keep 19 pairs of shoes in the closet etc etc etc.

As I said, whether thats good or bad is up to you to decide. I've made my decisions and am acting on my beliefs. I only wish more Americans (and people the world over) could be so committed.
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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 03:24:19

Casey made a sacrifice for who?

I know it wasn't for me. My energy bills are going up.

Only Halliburton is profiting. Therefore I conclude, Casey died for Halliburton.

This is the crux of Cindy Sheehan's protest.
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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 03:27:56

I think your a bit out of touch with reality. :roll:
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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 03:30:27

And I think you can't do deductive reasoning.
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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby shakespear1 » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 07:26:50

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Are your kids in Iraq? :shock:
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Re: It Takes a Village to Smear Cindy Sheehan

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 07:41:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shakespear1', 'S')pecop_007

Are your kids in Iraq? :shock:


My kids are barely old enough to carry a rifle, let alone serve.
If they choose to join the military, then whether I agree with that decision or not I will support them.
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