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Unread postby BabyPeanut » Mon 01 Aug 2005, 16:21:14

Flint, MI: Suburb of the future.

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Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Mon 01 Aug 2005, 17:08:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', '
')In anycase, I am well acquainted with Manila along with most of Luzon. It's amazing to see the sprawl of urbanization and further out, suburbanization in a country that is woefully lacking in basic infrastructure capacity. Most US sprawl did not even occur until some kind of improved road access was constructed. Not so there.


Yes, it sucks. Have you heard about the new "world class" airport, NAIA 3 that isn't opening because of the greedy buisness people. (it's complete too...) I'm glad that Manila is developing the LRT/MRTs though, rather than more highways.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Another interesting thing is the proliferation off walled off private neighborhoods. They were something else to visit. Whole sections of the city stuck behind 15 or 20 foot walls, protected by armed guards.


Most of my relatives live in one of those! I think it's kind of scary... and the armed guards don't really do anything either, they just sit in the litte building where they open the gate for the cars and read magazines or watch tv, I mean some robber or whatever could just shoot them there... I suppose it's all for the placebo affect.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
') They were a piece of the first world plopped down in the midst of poverty


I wouldn't say that though, It's more like a peace of middle class/upper class 1st world in the middle of middle class third world conditions. The walled off mansions in the middle of the "normal" houses.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
') With all of those private streets, especially in Makati where alot of these are, you have all that traffic jammed up onto the major thoroughfares.


Yep, specially the C-5. Damn rich people.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')I remember when my parents still lived there. It was always hot and traffic took for ever. I remember one trip we made from Makati to the airport to pick up my aunt took 2 hours...and the total distance we traveled was 4 miles. Thats less than walking speed.


Ha thats funny, one time our relatives picked us up from the airport and we took the not-well-travelled route among the "backstreets" and stuff, it took us lik 30 minutes to reach their house in Pasig, but they said that it would've taken 2 hours if we took the highway, lol.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Count'em. That's NINE lanes of stop and go misery. Not to mention a great use of natural resources as well.


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^ I bet we'll be seing a LOT more of that in the years to come...
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Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Mon 01 Aug 2005, 17:11:49

"typical" Manila is soo freakin ugly... The government's attemt to "color" Manila isn't working....

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Unread postby Keith_McClary » Tue 02 Aug 2005, 02:39:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'N')ever mind. I have a few pics of parks and stuff. Here you go


Your right. I really should get out and pick up all those bottles, needles, cans, papers and other trash littering our area. :roll:

The funny thing is? We keep our parks nicer then those other people keep their front lawn! Well....the front whatever it is.

Ah, your typical average American neighborhood park:
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Which park is this? Or is it the lady's front lawn?

(EDIT) C'm'on, I'm curious.

Is it the grounds of your presidential palace?

Or part of the Microsoft "Campus"?

Or in some gated community for the fabulously rich?

Or perhaps, Prince Sultan's humble cottage in Vegas?
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Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Sun 07 Aug 2005, 02:37:11

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Well, I think it looks pretty...

(Suburbs of Manila... Houses and a few condos in the background)
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 07 Aug 2005, 02:40:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'N')ever mind. I have a few pics of parks and stuff. Here you go


Your right. I really should get out and pick up all those bottles, needles, cans, papers and other trash littering our area. :roll:

The funny thing is? We keep our parks nicer then those other people keep their front lawn! Well....the front whatever it is.

Ah, your typical average American neighborhood park:
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Which park is this? Or is it the lady's front lawn?

(EDIT) C'm'on, I'm curious.

Is it the grounds of your presidential palace?

Or part of the Microsoft "Campus"?

Or in some gated community for the fabulously rich?

Or perhaps, Prince Sultan's humble cottage in Vegas?


:lol:

No no, I assure you its just a regular public park.

*EDIT*
Well, thats not *entirely* true. The section with the ducks is a regular park. The photo in question is a section of the park with a rose garden in it.
So no, that part probably isnt "typical" however the rest is.
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Unread postby ubercrap » Sun 07 Aug 2005, 03:15:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MisterJoe', 'I') am sure they love to live like that?

wouldn't you??


I have to assume so as they take NO action to change it.
I mean shit, at the *very* least they could walk around and pick up the trash right? I mean please tell me these hard working, intelligent individuals arent so busy stuck in the office all day they dont have time to go pick up the bottles. That would be a shame to think those highly successful people are so busy at work they cant even spend a few hours doing a community cleanup project!
Wow! They must be REALLY HARD WORKERS! :roll:


Your attitude is so grossly condescending that I hope you are joking. How do you know those people don't live in the location where the garbage ends up from somewhere else, which is certainly possible. These people are probably spending every moment trying to figure out how to stay alive. We in the United States are borrowing our wealth on the basis of the reputation of our past. When that ends, you better hope you are dead, because I don't think you could handle it. What do you do for a living? From you attitude, it sounds to me like you are some sort of engineer if I had to place a wager.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 07 Aug 2005, 03:28:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercrap', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MisterJoe', 'I') am sure they love to live like that?

wouldn't you??


I have to assume so as they take NO action to change it.
I mean shit, at the *very* least they could walk around and pick up the trash right? I mean please tell me these hard working, intelligent individuals arent so busy stuck in the office all day they dont have time to go pick up the bottles. That would be a shame to think those highly successful people are so busy at work they cant even spend a few hours doing a community cleanup project!
Wow! They must be REALLY HARD WORKERS! :roll:


Your attitude is so grossly condescending that I hope you are joking. How do you know those people don't live in the location where the garbage ends up from somewhere else, which is certainly possible. These people are probably spending every moment trying to figure out how to stay alive. We in the United States are borrowing our wealth on the basis of the reputation of our past. When that ends, you better hope you are dead, because I don't think you could handle it. What do you do for a living? From you attitude, it sounds to me like you are some sort of engineer if I had to place a wager.


JESUS!
Good guess on the career! :shock:

Otherwise, I'm not joking. I watched a Discovery show (Or some such educational show) one time. Some Green Peace workers were over in Africa helping the poor. At the time I thought "Wow, thats really cool!"
Guess who dug the well?
The aid workers. While those "hard working" locals stood around and watched.
They had a BIG FUGGIN python snake living nearby.
Guess who dug up the den and DRAGGED THE SNAKE OUT BY HIS TAIL?
The aid workers. The "hard working" locals stood around. They did back up a bit when the snake came out.

So dont blow smoke up my ass about how those people live in an area where garbage from other areas is brought in. I cant believe you'd be so naive as to think otherwise.

Lemme guess. Your the typical DumoCrat liberal. "We're all victims, its not our fault"
Suuuure.
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Unread postby Z » Sun 07 Aug 2005, 03:38:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I') watched a Discovery show (Or some such educational show) one time. .


You saw it in the idiot box, so it must be reality. Right.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 07 Aug 2005, 03:44:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Z', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I') watched a Discovery show (Or some such educational show) one time. .


You saw it in the idiot box, so it must be reality. Right.


Thats one story among many I've heard/seen/experienced.

You can sit in your own little pretty fictitious world.
I live out here in this thing called reality, and in this reality those people are LAZY SANDBAGGING HANDOUT TAKING........... 8O

And if thats how they CHOOSE to live, then so be it. Let them live like that if its what they want. I myself CHOOSE not to live surrounded by filth and trash, even if my house wasnt the nicest house around.
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Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sun 07 Aug 2005, 04:08:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')No no, I assure you its just a regular public park.
So which park, where, please?
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 07 Aug 2005, 04:15:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')No no, I assure you its just a regular public park.
So which park, where, please?


Its called Loose Park. You can find it by googling "Loose Park Kansas City". Its located around 50th and Wornall. Its actually not the best part of town, but not the worst by far. I wouldnt recommend taking the family down there at nighttime, although me and my friends have gone on occasion to play some hacky sack and just hang out.
Very nice park though. Kansas City has alot of water fountains, maybe I'll make a point here in the next few weeks to run around town and snap a few pics for this thread.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 07 Aug 2005, 04:17:17

You can see a list of (some) of Kansas City parks Here

Loose Park is included in this list BTW.

I've been to Loose and Swope out of that list.
Swope park is FUGGIN HUGE. 8O

If I'm correct, i think its almost 2,000 acres.
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Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sun 07 Aug 2005, 04:19:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')They had a BIG FUGGIN python snake living nearby.
Guess who dug up the den and DRAGGED THE SNAKE OUT BY HIS TAIL?
The aid workers. The "hard working" locals stood around. They did back up a bit when the snake came out.
We have BIG FUGGIN grizzly bears and cougars around here. We would not be terribly impressed by aid workers dragging them out by their tails.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 07 Aug 2005, 04:23:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')They had a BIG FUGGIN python snake living nearby.
Guess who dug up the den and DRAGGED THE SNAKE OUT BY HIS TAIL?
The aid workers. The "hard working" locals stood around. They did back up a bit when the snake came out.
We have BIG FUGGIN grizzly bears and cougars around here. We would not be terribly impressed by aid workers dragging them out by their tails.


Man, I dunno about you but if anyone had the danglin steel pair to pull a grizzly or cougar out by the tail I'd be MOST impressed!! :shock:
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Unread postby ubercrap » Sun 07 Aug 2005, 05:01:20

Of course I'm a DumoCrat liberal, I thought that was obvious! :lol: Lately, though, I don't know if my beliefs are aligning with the democrats either. Maybe I'm becoming more of a nihilist than anything? We'll see. I am no victim of anything. I have never received any direct government assistance, nor will I ever accept any. I have a college degree and a career for now, thank you very much. My grandfather spent much of the time during the depression a homeless orphan child, but later became a successful dentist. Even during his more conservative later days, I don't think he was quite as far toward the rugged-individualism side of the scale as you, and he was probably one of the most self-made men that I've ever met, if there is such a thing. In the metaphysical sense, we do not know why we are born as humans with the characteristics we have as an individual, nor where. Thus, I find your perception of yourself, as well as your perception of the poor, a bit ridiculous.
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Unread postby ubercrap » Sun 07 Aug 2005, 05:03:20

So you are in K.C.? Nice fountains and nice parks for sure.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 07 Aug 2005, 05:08:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercrap', 'O')f course I'm a DumoCrat liberal, I thought that was obvious! :lol: Lately, though, I don't know if my beliefs are aligning with the democrats either. Maybe I'm becoming more of a nihilist than anything? We'll see. I am no victim of anything. I have never received any direct government assistance, nor will I ever accept any. I have a college degree and a career for now, thank you very much. My grandfather spent much of the time during the depression a homeless orphan child, but later became a successful dentist. Even during his more conservative later days, I don't think he was quite as far as far toward the rugged-individualism scale as you, and he was probably one of the most self-made men that I've ever met, if there is such a thing. In the metaphysical sense, we do not know why we are born as the humans with the characteristics we have as an individual, nor where. Thus, I find your perception of yourself, as well as your perception of the poor, a bit ridiculous.


Fair nuff. 8)

I must say though, a bit ridiculous is far easier then I thought you'd put it...... :-D
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