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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 08 Sep 2024, 16:56:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]You know what the problem is adam, you're a frog in a pot of hot water and you don't realize the danger you are in.

I am well aware of the perils of the world Lucky, just as I am well aware, and familiar with, doomsayers like you who have been going on about it for 3 decades now.

How about you explain to us how your take on the doom today is different than the same reasons used to proclaim the same doom the next day/week/year 30 years ago?

Because I haven't noticed much original from you. Its all buy gold, markets stink, peak oil (again), people are bad, America is awful, etc etc.

Like a broken record of greatest doomer hits, and I'm not sure you even know you are repeating everyone elses line...decades old now.

So...why is your repetition of these recycled ideas different today, then they were back then?
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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 12 Sep 2024, 17:23:09

Springfield, OH has entered the media spotlight in recent weeks in large part due to the massive influx of Haitian aliens pouring into the town through Biden Administration relocation programs. A quiet, low-lying city, Springfield's native born population of 60,000 has been overwhelmed by over 20,000 such migrants shipped to the area in the span of a couple years. The cultural shock for the locals has been extensive.

Even the African Americans can't take it anymore.
https://nypost.com/2024/09/09/us-news/a ... ield-ohio/
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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 18 Sep 2024, 12:33:11

Group of migrants sends list of demands to Denver’s mayor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qjmW8XVZV0

And rightly so. It's about time the residents of Denver stepped up to the plate and started providing for these poor refugees. Remember your duty!


Denver’s new immigration plan, explained
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')arah Plastino: Our system previously was very financially unsustainable. At our height, we were housing over 5,000 people in hotel rooms. That was on track to be over 10% of the city’s budget. Any unbudgeted money we spent had to be cut elsewhere. We needed to get a handle on the scope of our services and intentionally work to integrate the folks who are settling into Denver.

People ineligible for the Asylum Seekers Program are immediately eligible to apply for a work permit, and we have ongoing clinics for those folks to apply for their work permits for free. Families also have access to up to $4,500 of rental assistance funds through the state.
https://www.hcn.org/articles/denvers-ne ... explained/

I think homeowners with spare rooms should be mandated to take in refugees. Far too much selfishness in Denver!
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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 18 Sep 2024, 13:08:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]Group of migrants sends list of demands to Denver’s mayor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qjmW8XVZV0
And rightly so. It's about time the residents of Denver stepped up to the plate and started providing for these poor refugees. Remember your duty!

Interesting. Obivously you don't know much about American migrant problems, particularly in the Denver area. The city has been lambasted for helping them too much, and "demands" are quite amusing when all they are asking for is some expediated social services....which quite a few have been getting already without pretending to "demand" anything.

The real issue locally has been the panhandling taking place at quite a few major intersections on big interchanges, and the budget required to be sacrificed elsewhere to provide the central and south Americans with basic services.

The camp referenced wasn't even one of the problem ones...apparently foreigners don't even know where to look to find real Denver issues. Maybe because being uneducated is detrimental to them trying to pretend to be 'marts and all!

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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 22 Sep 2024, 01:18:33

You really need to get out of Denver adam boy, but "She who must be obeyed" would never stand for it would she? Terrible to be a man cowered by a woman, having to go along with all those emotional decisions. I know another bloke like you on the Gold Coast, huge house on the hill, because 'she' has to impress her friends. She in the brand new car, he in the 15 yo one. He'd like to move out into the mountains too but "She" would never stand for it. leave all her friends and the shopping on the Coast? Never.

I can see now why so many American men are having their genitals removed and becoming women. It's a power grab!
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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 22 Sep 2024, 14:00:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'Y')ou really need to get out of Denver adam boy, but "She who must be obeyed" would never stand for it would she? Terrible to be a man cowered by a woman, having to go along with all those emotional decisions.

Cowered in this context is used as a denigrating term, used to pretend that having a wife as a partner is somehow not a perspective allowed if one is a manly man and neonazi.

I think of it more as a collaboration with a partner resulting in an outstanding quality of life. You of course are free to continue representing the neanderthal pea brained he-man mindset all you'd like.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
') I know another bloke like you on the Gold Coast, huge house on the hill, because 'she' has to impress her friends. She in the brand new car, he in the 15 yo one.

Are you really this shallow? My wife required a house (that just happened to be on a hill) close enough to work so I could come home and have lunch with the family before they moved on to full day school. She required frugality so she didn't have to be a working mom in order to do little league and boy and girl scouts and ran the PTA for a couple years and chilly cook offs and all the normal stuff that parents can participate in before they graduate high school. She required upon their graduation that we both participate in paying for the colleges of their choice to minimize their debt as young working adults. She required we be good parents.

The proof is in the pudding. Both my children graduated with multiple college degrees, my daughter bought her first house in the most expensive non-coastal city in the US before she was 25, both of them ride motorcycles and do it well.

What we did had nothing to do with impressing anyone, let alone narcissistic neonazis.

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') He'd like to move out into the mountains too but "She" would never stand for it. leave all her friends and the shopping on the Coast? Never.

Interesting friends you have. Why am I not surprised you make your friends sound as vapid as you?
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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 23 Sep 2024, 16:10:06

I was thinking about the Gilligans Island TV show from the 1970's and it came to me that the cast were not some random pick of characters but that each one represented a component of the American population.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale
a tale of a fateful trip,
that started from this tropic port,
aboard this tiny ship.
The mate was a mighty sailin' man,
the Skipper brave and sure,
five passengers set sail that day,
for a three hour tour,
a three hour tour.


Gilligan in the show represents the US political caste, bumbling fools that take center stage and pretend to know everything but invariably cock up everything they touch. From the President down to the local school board members, self-seeking, aggrandized idiots (aggrandized: enhance the reputation of (someone) beyond what is justified by the facts)
The Skipper, Here we have the Fat Cat corporate class. These are the true Captains of the USS Experiment. The Gilligan's do their bidding.

The Millionaire and his wife? Speaks for itself doesn't it. The parasite class in America that live off other people's hard work, when did you ever see Thurston or his wife with a shovel in their hands. A movie star! She represents all the Actors and sports heroes, musicians and overpaid "DJs". In these latter years the influencer class too. All of them having one function, to distract the working class from the drudgery of their lives. Each one typically a narcissist obsessed with their image, their looks. These people are entertainment, they add nothing to society, the money spent on them is wasted.

Then we round out the cast with the professor and Mary Ann, the scientific class, who no one listens to and whose best efforts Gilligan always manages to destroy. And Mary Ann, she represents middle America, the working classes, always obediently running around baking pies.

Why would the producers of the show look any further than the real world examples right in front of them? Give the people something they can identify with, themselves, and the SS Minnow? That's the nation itself, set sail on the 4th July 1776 on a 300 year cruise. Like the TV show it looks set to end in disaster, that much is obvious now. How do you encapsulate the theme of "Gilligans Island" represented in the episodes? One disaster after another after another after another. All portrayed as comedy. Sound familiar?

Of course other people see the show differently.

From 2001
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Gilligan's Island

Jan, 8, 2001

The island is a direct representation of HELL. Nobody on the island wants to be there, yet none are able to leave. Each one of the characters represents one of the 7 deadly sins:

Ginger represents LUST - she wears skimpy outfits, is obsessed with her looks, and is a borderline nymphomaniac.

Mary Ann represents ENVY - she is jealous of Ginger's beauty.

The Professor represents PRIDE - he is an annoying know-it-all.

Mr. Howell represents GREED - no explanation needed.

Mrs. Howell represents SLOTH - she has never lifted a finger to help on any of their escape plans.

The Skipper represents two sins: GLUTTONY - no explanation needed; and ANGER - he violently hits Gilligan on each show.

This leaves Gilligan. Gilligan is the person who put them there. He prevents them from leaving by foiling all of their escape plots. Also, it is HIS Island.

Therefore, Gilligan is SATAN.

Crazy? He does wear red in every episode.

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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 23 Sep 2024, 17:12:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'I') was thinking about the Gilligans Island TV show from the 1970's and it came to me that the cast were not some random pick of characters but that each one represented a component of the American population.


A) It figures that you are fascinated with the equivalent of a non-animated cartoon.
B) It figures that someone who has never even claimed to know an American, let alone visited or lived here, would extrapolate their neonazi mindset to others
C) It figures that those who fit categories A) and B) when combined with an absolute lack of formal education would confuse their puerial opinion with anything resembling the reality.
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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 24 Sep 2024, 03:04:22

San Fran Cops Dress Up As Inflatable Chicken To Catch Speeding Drivers

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')San Francisco police are donning inflatable chicken suits to catch drivers speeding through crosswalks. SFGate first reported on officer Lt. Jonathan Ozol in costume at a crosswalk on Alemany Boulevard, where Capt. Amy Hurwitz said the goal is to get drivers to yield to pedestrians. Some drivers didn't seem to care and failed to yield to the giant inflatable chicken, according to Fox News. Imagine that.


So the citizenry consumers ignore an officer in uniform but are expected to yield to a chicken?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b85Dw0R4ipg

Oh I love this one, totally ties in with Gilligans Island
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W1jMPsiw2s
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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 18 Sep 2025, 21:15:17

Escape From New York, 2025 Millionaire Edition

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Authored by Peter C. Earle via the American Institute for Economic Research (AIER),
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')For decades, New York City prided itself on being the financial capital of the world. It’s a place where money, culture, and power converge. And yet, as has been seen in San Francisco, Chicago, and other locations around the United States, New York is experiencing a steady exodus of millionaires and ultra-high-net-worth individuals. While some observers dismiss this as anecdotal or exaggerated, the facts paint a different picture: one with serious implications for the city’s fiscal health, social fabric, and attractiveness.

It is easy to forget that New York’s gleaming infrastructure, vast public services, and social programs are underwritten disproportionately by a tiny number of residents. Fewer than one percent of taxpayers account for more than 40 percent of all income tax revenue collected in the state, and a similar share in the city. Without those individuals, the ability of millions of ordinary New Yorkers to enjoy subsidized transit, robust public safety services, and cultural investments would collapse. In other words, and despite endless egalitarian rhetoric, the lifestyle of the masses is silently carried on the shoulders of the few.

The scale of the loss is becoming visible. Between 2019 and 2020, the number of New Yorkers earning between $150,000 and $750,000 fell by nearly six percent, while the number of true high earners—those making over $750,000—dropped by nearly 10 percent, according to the city’s Independent Budget Office. This erosion matters because the city’s top one percent—about 41,000 filers—pay more than 40 percent of all income taxes. The top 10 percent pay about two-thirds. Which means the remaining 90 percent of taxpayers contribute only about one-third of the city’s income tax revenue. When even a small share of these high earners disappears, the impact is seismic...
https://thedailyeconomy.org/article/esc ... e-edition/
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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 18 Sep 2025, 22:55:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I') just posted in the "Death of Suburbia Thread" that the premise of that thread has turned out to be totally wrong.

What we actually see in the US today isn't the death of Suburbia but the death of cities.

In city after city, the downtown areas are being abandoned to the homeless, drug addicts and drug dealers, and criminals and thieves.

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Well, I've never lived in a city, but close enough to one to go there occasionally and I'll grant that they've never been appealing to me. Suburbia works better, although occasionally the ooze of a big city spills over.

Anchorage in Alaska has been one of the worst I've ever seen though. You would think a city that can get pretty darn cold for a big chunk of the year wouldn't attract long term homeless but it sure seems to.

You have lived in Fairbanks before Plant, even colder than Anchorage I believe, did you see many homeless and drug users there in the winters?

Locally the homeless population seems to shrink in the city during the winter, the encampments move because in some cases they no longer have foliage for cover. It isn't obvious to me where they go.
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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 18 Sep 2025, 23:11:03

What's happening in NY is trivial, at this stage. Other once great cities are far more advanced, of course you can blame it on polotics all you like but that's just a head in the sand exercise. All was built withOil, and all that was built with oil will go the way of the dodo.

Residents in working-class districts of Johannesburg protest after two-week loss of water supply
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he city has a population of 5.5 million, while the wider urban agglomeration exceeds 14.8 million, making it a global megacity and the richest in Africa by GDP and private wealth. It is the capital of Gauteng, the country’s wealthiest province, home to the Johannesburg Stock Exchange and the Constitutional Court and stands at the centre of the international gold and mineral trade.

Post-apocalyptic conditions have rapidly emerged. An elderly woman clutching medical papers made a heartbreaking plea to SNL24 reporters, stating, “These are my results from the doctor. I have cancer and I’m due for an operation. I’ve been turned away from the hospital three times because of water shortages.”

The water crisis in Westbury and Coronationville is another example of the bankruptcy of the ANC, amid South Africa’s mounting infrastructure crisis. Cities like Pretoria and smaller towns like Ditsobola have been experiencing similar water shortages, and even contaminated water which has led to deaths. As well as Cape Town in 2018, Gqeberha came close to running out of water when its dam reached a critically low level in 2022. Johannesburg’s water system has been breaking down for years.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/0 ... l-s16.html

It'll happen in your city too, just wait and see. I chose not to wait! I went out in the country near dams and put in 10,000L of water tanks. Bring it on.
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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 18 Sep 2025, 23:14:44

Dams, great drought busters, until the silt up, or simply run dry.

Syria's worst drought in decades pushes millions to the brink
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70x500lkdno
It's the stuff wars are made of. Food insecurity.

Colorado River Crisis:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ake Mead & Lake Powell Could Plunge to Perilous Levels by 2026, Urgent Conservation Needed
https://hoodline.com/2025/09/colorado-r ... on-needed/

Oil Dams, Huge, Amazing, and becoming useless. You'd be surprised how much silt has piled up in the reservoir, they don't last forever.
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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 18 Sep 2025, 23:16:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I') always see these pictures of some cities, but when I go into Houston, I don't see anything like that. I'm sure there are areas like that, but there are also areas with lots of brand new development and re-development going on.

Cities will change of course, but I think they'll hang on, messy or not.


I tend to agree. I have run into some form of the homeless problem in Houston, back in the good ol' oil days in the last century, and more recently in the form of national confernces and whatnot. Same as New Orleans. Haven't seen what Plant has characterized in either place, but have noticed of what could be characterized as some form of "decay" in terms of cleanliness and civil behavior on occasion.

And I can't STAND it when folks wait at intersections to spit on your windshield, wipe it off with a sleeve and then expect you to give them money as opposed to hitting the windshield washer and wiper button.
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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 18 Sep 2025, 23:19:13

Someone doesn't have a life :-D
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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 18 Sep 2025, 23:24:19

Breaking Down: Collapse
Daily Episode 5 - Increasing Violence in Collapse


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n this episode I discuss the increasing amount of violence seen around the world, some of which is a direct reaction of people and governments to collapse.
https://player.fm/series/breaking-down- ... n-collapse

Trump targets antifa movement as 'terrorist organization' https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump- ... 025-09-18/

Well naturally, the whole movement is dedicated to violence :roll:
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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 19 Sep 2025, 08:41:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'S')omeone doesn't have a life :-D


I agree that as a Australian retiree embarassessed by your own son that you do lack obvious signs of having a life. But perhaps that is just natural in the country you come from? Socially acceptable as it were, along with all the other things that make it so insignificant on the world stage. And you are just an especially vapid example of your citizenry?

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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 19 Sep 2025, 19:46:10

Baltimore's Decay Accelerates As Kevin Plank's Billion-Dollar Microcity Turns Into "Ghost Town"
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/kev ... -town-amid

How are they getting on re-building the Fancis Key bridge? "goes and checks"...
Haven't even started, NO MONEY! :lol:

Baltimore bridge rebuild could exceed $5B
09/11/2025
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/1 ... n-00558793

Fuckin Monkeys could do a better job.
That's what happens when your federal government is paying a trillion dollars a year on servicing it's debt.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')altimore's total municipal debt is not readily available, but its finances show a "financial hole" of approximately -$3.2 billion due to total liabilities exceeding available assets. ...potential issues like population decline, increasing infrastructure needs, and concerns about its sewer system revenue bonds pose challenges.

Sewer Bonds? WTF is that? They had to borrow money to take a shit?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')altimore's water and sewer rates are set to rise sharply in 2025
Dec 11, 2024 — Starting on February 1, 2025, sewer rates will jump 15% and water rates 3% (for an overall average of 10%)
https://www.baltimorebrew.com/2024/12/1 ... y-in-2025/
A good read, rates are going a lot higher too it seems.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow much debt is the state of Maryland in?
Maryland only has $34.3 billion of assets available to pay bills totaling $57.7 billion. Because Maryland doesn't have enough money to pay its bills, it has a -$23.4 billion financial hole.

Whole country is bankrupt, no wonder all the wheels are falling off.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he American city of Baltimore, Maryland, has struggled with crime rates above national averages. Violent crime spiked after the death of Freddie Gray on April 19, 2015, which sparked riots and an increase in murders.
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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 19 Sep 2025, 22:28:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]Baltimore's Decay Accelerates As Kevin Plank's Billion-Dollar Microcity Turns Into "Ghost Town"


So what does it say that someone from Australia doesn't have much of....anything...to discuss about Australia?

Because all they can do is hide behind the facade of Paul Hogan? Left a lasting impression in the West....but thankfully some Aussies are honest about it.

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Re: The Death of Cities

Unread postby careinke » Fri 19 Sep 2025, 23:02:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]Baltimore's Decay Accelerates As Kevin Plank's Billion-Dollar Microcity Turns Into "Ghost Town"


So what does it say that someone from Australia doesn't have much of....anything...to discuss about Australia?


Because just like the UK, he can be thrown into prison for criticizing his own government. That just leaves the US to criticize, because we DO have freedom of speech.

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