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Re: Peak oil debate

Postby AdamB » Sun 29 Sep 2024, 13:15:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'P')eak oil is PeakOil Production. Not Demand, Not PeakPlastic, Not peak Coal to oil, and certainly not Peak Shale well oil.

Again..for the revisionists that don't know any more about oil than they do tight tracks, or what holding a high school diploma with their name on it feels like.

Peak oil is the theorized point in time when the maximum rate of global oil production will occur, after which oil production will begin an irreversible decline.

This was the same definition employed by the likes of Colin Campbell in 1989 when he first declared global peak circa 1990.

After you go back and get your high school diploma, maybe you'll understand English better?
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')Fracked oil, like oil made from coal, is manufactured oil.

Wrong. Ever fracked well I've ever PERSONALLY produced oil from, came from, you know, ROCKS. Where it resided after it was created through the normal thermogenic process that oil from Ghawar came from. Except the oil I produced, from shale wells, after completing them, came from lower permeability rock. No, I won't explain that to a moron who doesn't even know the definition of peak oil.

Look up the big words. Take some ibruprofen when you get a headache from trying to figure out those with more than a single syllable.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Chemicals are used to produce it and a lot of energy is wasted in the process.

Again, wrong. How much stupid do you really wish to display today?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')When the original theses of PeakOil was put forward it was based on conventional oil extracted from conventional wells, not oil manufactured from other hydrocarbons.

No it wasn't. Hubbert didn't do it with US peak oil claims in 1936 or 1956 claim, for the world or the country. Colin Campbell didn't do it for his 1990 global claim. Interestingly, Campbell DID claim global peak oil pre-2005 WHICH INCLUDED THE MYSTERIOUS OIL TYPE OF "UNCONVENTIONAL".

You are operating in the standard revisionist mindset, combined with cut and paste internet knowledge. Learn some history. Pick that up along with basic math when you go back and get the education you skipped, leaving you susceptible to saying ignorant things and looking uninformed.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')This was important......

This never happened until after folks turned out didn't know dick about oil. The kind coming from ROCKS, regardless of the completion technique. You, being ignorant, apparently only got involved in this topic recently and not knowing what "research" is because they taught it in the 10th grade and you dropped out before that, decided being ignorant was better than knowing stuff. Glad your ditch digging and truck driving or whatever did well for your retirement, because you suck when it comes to "knowing" stuff.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')2007~8 was Global peak oil...

So was 1979. The 2008 global peak was #4 in the claimed peak oils of the 21st century. #6 global peak oil in 2018 still stands as the most recent.

Any other stupid things you want to say, or references that don't know any more math, physics, geology, engineering or history than you do? If you had finished high school you might be able to think for yourself, and not need wholesale quotes from others like you.

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Re: Peak oil debate

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 02 Oct 2024, 21:30:22

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Re: Peak oil debate

Postby AdamB » Wed 02 Oct 2024, 22:22:31

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Do me a favor and don't use my username to create a quote I didn't say. I have no objection to you quoting what I say, but I do object to nazi retards putting words in my mouth.
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Re: Peak oil debate

Postby theluckycountry » Thu 03 Oct 2024, 05:41:23

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Re: Peak oil debate

Postby AdamB » Tue 02 Sep 2025, 14:11:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PersecutedGadfly', 'T')here is not going to be any peak oil debate. With the one exception of Matthew Simmons, the last thing peak oilers want is actual debate. The peak oil movement is all about silencing and ridiculing ones opponents and critics with ad hominem attacks instead of listening to them and debating them.


Well you figured this out pretty well! I'm guessing you were banned somewhere along the way, knowing these things during Monte's reign were likely to get you run out of town on a rail.
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Re: Peak oil debate

Postby AgentR11 » Wed 03 Sep 2025, 20:57:19

It does seem to have left you overly bitter about things here though...
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Re: Peak oil debate

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 03 Sep 2025, 22:05:18

Just stay tuned, your orders are coming.


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Re: Peak oil debate

Postby AdamB » Thu 04 Sep 2025, 11:47:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'J')ust stay tuned, your orders are coming.


You and your ilk would know what it is like following orders....do you still study Mein Kamph with your bosses picture above your headboard?

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Re: Peak oil debate

Postby AdamB » Sun 07 Sep 2025, 22:57:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I')t does seem to have left you overly bitter about things here though...


Is gloating an unreasonable reaction do you think? The history that Monte deleted out of existence, for me to compare my early 2005 claims to 2015 modeling proof...yes... it is irritating. If only because I can't determine the exact level of appropriate gloating...what I knew in 2005 in advance of doing the work and proving it. Certainly I wasn't completely right, but I can't quantify the size of the misses, or on what section of the problem.
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Re: Peak oil debate

Postby AgentR11 » Mon 08 Sep 2025, 14:28:35

All things in moderation...
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Re: Peak oil debate

Postby AdamB » Mon 08 Sep 2025, 15:46:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'A')ll things in moderation...


Ah...sometimes. My professional reputation isn't of moderation, it is of drilling down on a problem until it isn't a problem because it has been solved. My bones were made solving a problem thought solved. Demolishing 25 years of established scientific research is where I made my name. No moderation involved there. 9 months of work though, from first question to presenting the demolition to the scientific panel assembled to tear me apart if I got it wrong. Think...a PhD dissertation...except me being the only person in the room without a PhD. Those were heady days.

Solving peak oil was a cake walk after that. It wasn't even a problem, it was just designing a system that could calculate long term oil production logically.
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Re: Peak oil debate

Postby theluckycountry » Fri 21 Nov 2025, 16:26:32

Peak Global net oil export capacity

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t reached its maximum potential by 2004 and hasn’t changed much in the past 21 years. During these two decades nations could only increase the amount they bought from abroad at the expense of others giving up consumption, or substituting imports with new sources of supply. And this is exactly what’s been going on since 2005, when the shale revolution has begun to turn the US (the world’s largest oil importer back then) into a net exporter. American oil imports, substituted by this new-found wealth, allowed other nations (China, India and the rest of the Global South) to more than quadruple (!) their consumption during the same time period, despite stagnating global export capacity.

But what is this net export capacity? Simply put, it is the difference between the amount of oil a country or region produces and the amount it imports. If a nation extracts more oil than it buys from abroad, it’s called a net exporter. On the other hand, nations buying more than they’re selling are net importers. But why do oil producing nations import oil in the first place? Well, because not all oil is equal: some fields produce heavy, dense, thick liquids, while others yield light, thin, gasoline-like fluids. In order to satisfy demand for all sort of oil products even oil producing nations need to import the right kind of petroleum to make everything they need from ethylene (used in plastics manufacturing) and gasoline, to jet and diesel fuel, not to mention heavier products such as lubricants, asphalt etc.

(Alternatively, they would have to import the missing products themselves). Thus, in order to judge whether a nation is a net importer or exporter, the weight of all crude oil plus condensate and natural gas liquids (separated from the production of natural gas) has to be taken into account on the production side, just like all the inland demand (plus international aviation, marine bunker fuels, refinery fuel and losses) has to be accounted for on the consumption side. The result of that calculation is what you see on the chart above, and the ones below.
https://thehonestsorcerer.medium.com/th ... a20270aaa9

It's pretty much in line with the charts of peak oil production per nation. It's been a long time since I looked at those but Australia peaked and began it's decline in 2001, the US in 1972 naturally. Others, like Russia have come back with new conventional supply and become big exporters. I don't count the US shale bubble oil naturally. It was such low EROEI the industry never made a profit! It was a waste of resources basically and they might as well have turned coal into oil for all it mattered. It got the "barrels" up but added no wealth to the nation like the 1920's boom did.
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Re: Peak oil debate

Postby AdamB » Fri 21 Nov 2025, 16:36:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', ' ') It's been a long time since I looked at those but Australia peaked and began it's decline in 2001, the US in 1972 naturally.


US Oil Production Peaking in 1972. A round of applause for the village idiot who...when he says this doesn't count because it has DIFFERENT oils in it...can't pick them off this global list of oil benchmarks. Someone a 7 year old can do off a restaurant menu, but our Aussie can't because....it is SO HARD. Menu of Global Oil Benchmarks For Anyone Older Than 7 Years To Choose From If They Know Which Oils They Want to Not Count

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Postby theluckycountry » Sat 10 Jan 2026, 07:14:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bytesmiths', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('abben', 'O')h, and does anyone have any figures for how much a completley off the grid solar system would cost, for someone using 866 Kw/H a month
First task: cut that by 75%.

The real question should be, "How much will it cost to enjoy a comfortable standard of living off-grid?" ... see that VCR sitting there, blinking "12:00, 12:00, 12:00..." It could be using upward of 7kwh a month...


HaHaHa. 2004, back in the days before airconditioning systems became ubiquitous and chewed 2000W/h cooling homes. I run mine every day in summer, turn them off at 4pm or so when the sun goes off the panels. We never used to use them except on the hottest days but things change. around 2008 I listened to a podcast about India and how they were going all in with A/C. Those that could afford it anyway. All the world's grids are old and typically running near or over maximum capacity now. That's the safety maximum, that you can exceed, but not recommended.

Electricity grids are very wasteful in terms of transmission losses. So are water grids for that matter. You'd be amazed how much water from municipal grids just gushes unseen down into the ground. Upward of 50% in the city I left, I was told that by a city engineer. Ever wondered why the water pressure in your street isn't what it was 30 years ago? They drop the pressure to limit the leakage. Can't replace all the pipes now, too big a job.

I think I'll buy one of those house batteries, just the smallest one. So I have a buffer if blackouts come. I'll still be able to run the whole house during the day that way, use the rooftop solar to turn the place into an icebox, do all the cooking cleaning etc and then power down in the evenings. Going offgrid isn't an option here and besides they still pay me around a hundred a month for what I export.
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Re: Re:

Postby AdamB » Sat 10 Jan 2026, 13:30:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')I think I'll buy one of those house batteries, just the smallest one. So I have a buffer if blackouts come.


<YAWN>

Maybe America will just drill some more, and create another peak oil because....we can? And pipsqueak colonies of the Crown can just keep...inbreeding and creating stupid people who can THROW vegemite higher in the air than Australian rocket scientists can launch it.

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Re: Peak oil debate

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 21 Jan 2026, 21:45:26

It's funny, all the while the US was extracting shale oil for export at an EROI of 2:1 they were importing heavy oil drilled at 15:1 and 20:1, losing a fortune to overseas nations every day. It explains why hundreds of thousands of people were moving into tents on the side of the road.

Now a certain troll, who claims to have worked in the industry should have figured this out, and pointed it out. But like 99% of the rest of the dull cow herd it went right over his head and it needed an aussie unrelated to the oil industry to point it out. Spent years in the oil patch? Trolls :P

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s of late 2025 and early 2026 the competitiveness of U.S. shale oil is under pressure due to rising breakeven costs and a volatile lower-price environment. While the industry has proven remarkably resilient through technological advancements, it faces significant challenges that threaten its long-term high-growth model

It never made a red cent and left 800 billion in debts behind.

1950's America, before it's peak, fueled by abundant cheap oil.

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Obama's ShaleOil Miracle :lol:

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Postby AdamB » Wed 21 Jan 2026, 21:54:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('savethehumans', 'Y')eah, but that 2013 PO date they're hawking is just going to make the public yawn and say, "Oh, we've got a few years. Why worry now?" :(


Can you imagine if they had been told it was actually going to happen in 2018 and...wait for it...NOBODY NOTICED!!!!

So...YEAH.....yawn and "why worry now" indeed.
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Re: Peak oil debate

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 21 Jan 2026, 22:22:01

Captain America will save you :P


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Postby AdamB » Thu 22 Jan 2026, 08:45:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('savethehumans', 'Y')eah, but that 2013 PO date they're hawking is just going to make the public yawn and say, "Oh, we've got a few years. Why worry now?" :(


Well, and apparently they should have been yawning. Not just because is didn't happen by 2013, but because when it did happen in 2018....nobody even noticed!

Peak oil as a dud was generally not accepted around here way back when, folks were banned for even suggesting that peak oilers didn't know squat about this topic in general or the geosciences in particular. And it turns out those folks were right, and the chicken littles who, in their ignorance, flocked to this topic, became a cautionary tale.
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Re: Peak oil debate

Postby theluckycountry » Thu 22 Jan 2026, 11:42:22

Global peakOil occurred around 2007 and the shell games the American's have engaged in mean nothing at all. How much of the new *oil equivalents* is used to make plastic bags because it has no other use? The USA is one Giant Bullshit factory, from it's GDP to it's employment figures to the value of its public corporations. Anyone who believes any pronouncements out of that place needs their head read.
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