by theluckycountry » Wed 02 Jul 2025, 06:09:19
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')odern economics is shrouded in idiosyncratic self-serving definitions, arcane mathematics, and circular arguments which make it very difficult to understand. But once one gets the scorecard straight, it can be seen that modern economics is nothing more than a social imitation of nineteenth-century physics. Economists are trained to believe that "money" is to the economy what "energy" is to the physical world. This leads them to believe that whatever is "economically" possible is "physically" possible too. What economists fail to realize is that the economy is a subsystem of the physical system, and thus constrained by universal physical laws that they have not studied.
Since economists study the prices of everything, they feel they are qualified to issue opinions about everything. But the reality is quite the opposite. Economists first abstract all commodities to money -- which of course, obliterates all physical differences between the commodities themselves. This leaves economists uniquely unqualified to know the physical relationships between the commodities they purport to study. Because of their total dependence on the measure of "money", today's leading economists do not know the difference between "libraries" and "oil":
From the writings of Jay Hanson, 01/01/2000And this, is the reason alternate energy systems are not renewable, not even rebuildable in the near term. Economic thinking has put the cost of all these systems into dollar terms, not in terms of the physical products needed to construct deploy and site them. And all that, in today's analysis, comes down to the dollar cost "today" of fossil fuels and minerals.
Burning finite coal in a simple power station to generate electricity is much cheaper (coal wise) than burning it to construct high technology wind and solar energy systems and deploy them. But since coal is relatively cheap, it's price controlled and kept low to benefit society, the amount consumed hardly enters the equation. As time passes though and the coal (and oil) becomes harder and harder to get, the cost differential between simple plants and complex manufacturing processes will balloon out.
Coal fired plants are typically sited along rail lines, the coal is mined at one end and transported efficiently to the power station at the other end. This is feasible because of the long time horizon for coal burning stations. it makes economic sense to invest in the rail line and maintain it. Solar on the other hand has many many diverse mineral needs, Bauxite for aluminum, sand for glass and high grade silicone for modules. Silver and other rare elements to dope the cell substrate, etc etc. All this has to be mined and brought to the plant, in final refined form from other factories, even before the panels can be constructed. Then there is an enormous transportation chain to get it onsite and installed.
In dollars this isn't so bad today, but in 30 or 40 years when mining and transport is very expensive due to the depletion of Diesel it will be another matter. Mining coal is easy, it falls out of the ground basically and needs no processing. You just shovel it on the train and send it to the power station. Power the train by electricity from the same station if you like. So why is/was solar power investment overtaking oil production investment? Basically because the latter is not subsidized and the oil companies know there isn't much profit left in oil. It's simple economics, real economics. If there was another Saudi Arabia out there they would be fighting like cats and dogs to invest and bring it on stream. But there isn't. All that's left is the dregs, the deepwater and the unborn oil in shale deposits.
But our monetary system, a debt backed fiat system, required exponential growth to keep everyone fed and to pay back the interest due, therefore new money is created as a matter of course whether it finds a productive end or not. Some of this new money has been directed into boondoggle alternate energy schemes, some into wars and war materials, other into social security payments, and on and on. We might like to think that all this debt is being created because we demand it but our demands are artificially imposed on us. Holidays, new cars, new bigger homes. It doesn't matter as long as we are borrowing new money and circulating it so a percentage can be used to pay the enormous interest repayments due from last years debt. Stop borrowing, stop the money creation and the whole house of cards comes crashing down. Pensions crash, banks crash. That's why they all agreed to increase the federal debt by 5 trillion. They have no other choice, it's that or the collapse of a huge part of the economy.
Alternate energy, wind and solar is great in certain niche applications, but it's mass uptake is doomed to failure and has been occurring for no other reason than that stated above. A sink for new money.
We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.