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THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 26 Feb 2025, 07:13:46

Trump's campain of ration cost cutting continues apace.

EV Chargers At Federal Buildings Set To Go Dark
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')Bloomberg reported that the General Services Administration, which oversees hundreds of EV chargers nationwide at federal buildings—currently operating 8,000 plugs with plans to expand rapidly in the coming years—recently sent an email outlining the plan to shut down the chargers. The Verge first reported the development last week.

A source told The Verge that, in addition to shutting EV charging stations, the GSA will also begin offloading the EVs it purchased under the Biden administration.

Well that will do wonders for used EV prices that are already circling the drain.

https://www.theverge.com/news/617235/th ... n-critical

Oh but sales are increasing! Yeah, the sale of ZEVs :lol:
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 26 Feb 2025, 07:23:38

Used electric car prices in free fall : Exclusive report shows buyer's market
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/u ... econd-hand

Used EV prices Australia: Why China cars are driving down value
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')Used prices for electric cars are falling due to fierce competition, deep discounting and a lack of trust in emerging brands pushing the technology.

Resale values for electric cars are 15 to 20 per cent behind equivalent petrol models, according to data from wholesale auction house Manheim.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/moto ... 6e76cec7c5

:lol: So used EVs are tanking in price because people don't trust emerging brands? Dear oh dear, these Evidiots can't even think straight anymore. EV Derangement syndrome?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby mousepad » Wed 26 Feb 2025, 08:35:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]Used electric car prices in free fall

You make it sound like it's a bad thing. Arent you otherwise complaining about ev being too expensive for the general peons?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 26 Feb 2025, 17:25:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]Used electric car prices in free fall

You make it sound like it's a bad thing. Arent you otherwise complaining about ev being too expensive for the general peons?

Of course it's a bad thing, for the people who bought them in the first place. And it's bad for the EV dream as a whole. It's like someone buying a new-build house and then discovering that when they come to sell it the price has fallen a lot. If this experience becomes widespread people stop buying homes, it's happened before. But unlike homes the old EV's aren't going to bounce back are they. And all the people looking to buy a new one will think twice, especially since they know they themselves will have to sell well within a decade or they'll get Nothing back!

I don't actually complain, I simply point out the facts surrounding this debacle, this gross waste of the planet's resources on a utopian sci-fi dream. And that's all it is, a bit of science fiction marketed eloquently to a dumbed down unsuspecting populace. Ask yourself, what is a 3 or 4 year old LiPO battery worth, because that's what you're buying. Would you pay good bucks for a used liPO for your laptop? Of course not, you'd buy new because you know they have a short life-span. But the little 18650 batts in the EVs are special aren't they? They last a lot longer, by some Magic that has never been fully explained...

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Minority Report; irobot, even way back with the original Blade Runner and before. The list is endless and with each new movie people are conditioned to accept that the future holds "EV" travel. Even now that it's obvious we don't have enough energy or the specific minerals to transition over to them en-mass (the heavy junk they sell now), people still believe in them, still believe they are the future. Why? Because they are locked in a mindset created by a decades of imagery and a decade of promises from both government and corporations. All stuff that they believed at face value.

They see GM or Ford or BMW begin spending a few billion and in their ignorance believe the corporations are doing this because they believe in the EV future too. But those corps were only doing it to avoid taxes and to give the impression, to an impressionable and fickle public, that they believe it too. The dot-com effect. Now the faithful speak of *new technology* that is supposed to save us from the downsides of EV range and longevity. Technology to save us from the diminishing returns of technological innovation. And at every step, more and more of the World's non-renewable resources are poured down the drain of a human delusion. The delusion that they can continue a 20th century lifestyle in a 21st century world, driving wherever they like whenever they like in their own luxury private car.

They dreamed of powering them off renewables, another lie! Another dead-end. Windmills and solar panels built from oil and coal, steel and expensive minerals, with no though as to how these could practically be Re-Built in 20 years without Oil and Coal etc. You don't have to be an engineer to figure all this out, but it helps. Why are so many engineers and scientists behind it then? because it's easy to keep your mouth shut and your head down when you're being paid a hundred thousand dollars a year. Doctors do it all the time, as do RE sales people, Politicians, most other people in BS jobs.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', 'A')rent you otherwise complaining about ev being too expensive for the general peons?

Yes they are, and always will be, especially now that the cost of living is only going one way.

I can't believe how many people here on Peakoil.com believed in this shit. I would have thought they would have known better, but the so called shale revolution and low interest rates seems to have bamboozled them into thinking PeakOil was the fantasy and not the EV. Very strange...

Go back 10 years when it ll started and you'll hear the dreamers here chattering away about the great transition, go 10 years into the future and there will be stories of toxic battery waste leaking from dump sites contaminating drinking water supplies.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 26 Feb 2025, 18:24:38

Here is one engineer still willing to speak out
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..Problem is, that there will be no next time. The cheap and easy-to-get part of Earth’s vast resource base is running dangerously low in non-western states as well. You see, this entire modern civilization with its supermarkets, cars, planes, computers, solar panels, 24/7 electricity and running water was all built on the extraction of non-renewable resources. All mined, transported and processed with fossil fuels — another set of non-renewable resources. And now that crude oil extraction, the key source of liquid fuels powering it all, is on a bumpy plateau since 2015 (with an absolute peak in daily output reached in 2018 already), there is not much hope for a return to real economic growth either.

Considering that world population has increased by 540 million since that peak, and that the energy cost of getting the same amount of oil just keeps rising with every passing year, today’s crude oil production figures actually means much less petroleum products per capita than in 2018. Yes, there might be plenty more stuff underground… But who cares, when extracting all of it turns out to be totally uneconomic? Why? How could the world beset by a rapidly shrinking per capita consumption, increasing indebtedness and rising inflation be able to afford more fuel at a much higher cost?
https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/ ... gs-to-come

Naturally the author references the peak of conventional and non-conventional oil, so be it, it hardly matters in the scheme of things. I stick with the conventional peak because that is when the wheels fell off the global economy, it was then (and before) that one really needed to be making the lifestyle changes in preparation for the collapse that we are now moving into. The $147 bbl price crippled nations and the subsequent money printing has simply pushed the problem off a few years into the future. But only for us in the wealthy West. If your an average citizen in the former developing World you're already screwed, diving is a distant memory and putting food on the table is your main concern today. Driving may not have declined all that much in the West, but I assure it has across much of South America, the sub-Asian continent and in Africa.

I'm forever grateful for this obfuscation around PeakOil though, as I am for the money printing and the delusions held by the masses. In 2018 when I made the move from the city, rural town prices were half what they are now. The large worthless bush block of undeveloped land I had in another region was still highly valued (for subdivision) and I was able to get a good price for it too. Likewise the price of Gold and silver was under half what it is now. Gold was aussie $1600, now it's $4600 and Silver was $22, now it's $50. Without the general ignorance of the public I would never have been able to buy as much as I did or get the home I now have debt free. My continuing hope is that these masses will continue to borrow and never wake up because they are the ones keeping the wheels turning. It is their continual borrowing that provides a lot the taxes that guarantee good services, smooth roads, reliable utilities.

My hat is off for the wage slave, for the debt slave, for they have built this amazing world we now enjoy.

Have a look at this line chart, average miles driven across european nations. Germany Austria and Spain maintained well over the past two decades, Spain a tourist mecca, Germany an industrial powerhouse, and Austria, who knows? But all the rest began a decline around 2004, in the face of rising Gas prices I'd say. After 2007~8 it becomes quite obvious.

https://www.odyssee-mure.eu/publication ... y-car.html
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Wed 26 Feb 2025, 21:52:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'I')n 2018 when I made the move from the city, rural town prices were half what they are now. The large worthless bush block of undeveloped land I had in another region was still highly valued (for subdivision) and I was able to get a good price for it too. Likewise the price of Gold and silver was under half what it is now. Gold was aussie $1600, now it's $4600 and Silver was $22, now it's $50. Without the general ignorance of the public I would never have been able to buy as much as I did...


Got my gold for $386/oz. How stupid are you for buying it so high? Geez....and took until 2018 to move from the city? I didn't even live in a city until I went to college....so how slap happy stupid are you coming so late to gold and country living? Mommy was still breast feeding you at age 50 or something? Moved on to your sister later? She cut you off and kicked you out and that's when you got all clever about buying expensive gold and moving away from neighbors after they caught you and your sister on film?

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Thu 27 Feb 2025, 15:31:43

Oh look` adam's popped in

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How's the wife enjoying the old leaf?

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Fri 28 Feb 2025, 21:12:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')lectric vehicle (EV) sales in Australia have fallen to a more than two-year low, with 2025 tipped to be a major watershed moment for the motoring industry...

...CarExpert.com.au founder Paul Maric told Yahoo Finance that this year would "really be the telltale sign" of whether the EV industry finds its footing or drops off. He pointed to the Australian and American governments removing certain EV subsidies and targets, which helped make the cars more attractive to buyers.
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/ev-sa ... 44406.html

"of whether the EV industry finds its footing or drops off."

In other words, falls away, becomes a niche product for inner-city hipsters. Imagine saying that on a forum like this even a year ago! You'd have the EV fanboi laughing at the top of their lungs. But it's become a reality hasn't it.

What's more important in this story though is the general principle that when the Masses all join in one accord and believe in something, like the "transition to EV", you know it's a pack of Lies. Just like the shale oil boom that was going to re-invigorate the World, just like the A.I. boom that is now touted as being the savior of mankind. Just keep your money away from all this stuff. Don't throw it into the back pockets of billionaire hucksters.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Thu 27 Mar 2025, 19:31:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'O')h look` adam's popped in


Sort of what I thought that picture of you doing to your sister implied.

Been going through what I missed, and as usual Lucky is doing his thing. Rinse, recycle, repeat. With occasional SIEG HEIL thrown in, although recently praising...Russians?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Thu 27 Mar 2025, 19:40:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')What's more important in this story though is the general principle that when the Masses all join in one accord and believe in something, like the "transition to EV", you know it's a pack of Lies.

Like you claiming an end of world scenario that just...won't....show...up? I just bought my 3rd (or 4th?) EV, first one I ever bought new. Why? Because all the other ones were excellent at what they do...cheap transportation. I'm selling the 2nd one I bought 4 years ago or so...for a significant majority of what I bought it for. The thing is 10 years old now, can't believe how well it has retained its value.

So no pack of lies that I can tell, but what would an uneducated Third Worlder know about it, if it isn't spoon fed to them by their favorite idiot world collapse internet feed, right?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'J')ust like the shale oil boom that was going to re-invigorate the World, just like the A.I. boom that is now touted as being the savior of mankind. Just keep your money away from all this stuff. Don't throw it into the back pockets of billionaire hucksters.


Don't recall the US shale oil boom being claimed to reinvigorate anything, certainly when US exceptionalism is required and other countries lack it, there is no guarentee of success. Countries that can't even build a car aren't any more capable of being able to build a drilling rig, let alone know what to do with it.

But some countries are GREAT for entertainment value, if only to make fun of them.

Let's hear it for what qualifies as an Olympian in Australia! Go Raygun! We know a local who is even dumber than you are untalented, maybe you two can hook up?

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Fri 28 Mar 2025, 18:59:00

Nissan Leaf prices slashed, now starting under $A35,000
On Nissan Australia’s website, new and demo Leaf electric hatchbacks are priced from $34,990 driveway, down from the recommended retail price of $50,990 for the Leaf with the 39 kWh battery pack.
https://thedriven.io/2025/01/06/nissan- ... er-a35000/

Same in Ireland, probably globally
https://www.nissan.ie/experience-nissan ... -Drop.html
Bad luck for owners of used Leafs, they are worthless now.

Some positive spin
Mar 18, 2025 The UK

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Used electric car sales set to skyrocket as supply rises and prices plummet
Around 40,000 pre-owned electric cars could swap hands during March 2025 as an increase in supply is set to see prices continue to drop.
A motoring expert has predicted that used electric car prices could plummet over the next few weeks as a new wave of EV leases are set to run out... Patrick Cresswell, co-founder of the EV experts ClearWatt, suggested that it could make now the best time to get behind the wheel of an affordable electric model.

He said: "March of 2022 broke all the records for new EV sales, with more battery-powered vehicles sold in that month alone than all of 2019 - and much of that stock is now hitting the second-hand market, as three-year lease terms expire. We estimate 350,000 used EVs will be sold this year - and up to 40,000 could be in March alone."
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/ca ... ply-plates

Sold this year? They hope. Those Hertz ones didn't sell too well and I doubt these will either. People are awake now, the foggy mist of EV Lies has cleared and they are in the full sunshine. People can see that with the lipstick wiped off these cars are a long-term disaster as far as normal motoring is concerned. Unlike those that lease (the wannabe rich) most just want a car they can keep for 10 or 15 years or can sell sooner and get a good trade in. The EV is NOT a good trade in, many dealers won't accept them in fact.

These price cuts are not a result of the cars being any cheaper to build, they are simply a desperation move to keep the assembly lines running and pay back the capital that was borrowed to set them up in the first place. Even if Nissan makes Zero on their cars, and they are probably negative like GM was, they will still be clearing debt off the books. The EV revolution is clearly OVER and now the cleanup begins. Millions of 3 and 5 and 10 year old cars no one wants. What a waste of capital it all was.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Sat 29 Mar 2025, 19:30:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]Nissan Leaf prices slashed, now starting under $A35,000
On Nissan Australia’s website, new and demo Leaf electric hatchbacks are priced from $34,990 driveway, down from the recommended retail price of $50,990 for the Leaf with the 39 kWh battery pack.
https://thedriven.io/2025/01/06/nissan- ... er-a35000/


Well, when you sell them to suckers, of course you ask for a higher price than I paid for mine. So, 1 prison colony dollar equals about 0.63 US dollars (currently known as the worlds reserve currency). So $35K prison colony dollars is about $22K US dollars.

So I paid $11K US dollars for a new Leaf, which would be $17.5 prison colony dollars.

Boy, if that is what "price slashed" means in prison colony land, you can keep it.

For the record, my first new car ever, a few years out of college when I could afford one, was a 1988 Honda Civic Si. I paid $10400 US dollars for it. In 1988. Using this calculator for real dollar differences across time in the US between 1988 and 2024 it turns out that new Honda would cost me about $23.6K today. So I paid about 50% less in real dollars for that quite nice ICE powered machine.

Sorry for using math and stuff Lucky, but you not knowing any I thought I would lay it out for the mentally challenged.

So while in prison colony land the price might be slashed, you ain't got nothing on price slashing compared to the US, let alone the real value of my new Leaf compared to that old new Honda. Which was quite nice, I'll admit it, sold it to my in-laws when it hit about the 120k mark and moved on to an Acura Integra GS-R.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Bad luck for owners of used Leafs, they are worthless now.


I've got one of those as well. 2015. Washed it today, cleaned it out, took all the necessary pictures and put it up for sale. First inquiry within an hour. Want to bet I'll get more than the "worthless" submitted by the local club halfwit?

While you certainly can learn things online, just repeating what you hear with ZERO understanding or education in basic market economics leads to...being you....
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby Newfie » Sun 06 Apr 2025, 16:17:28

What do people think about Tesla future.

Will tariffs help or hurt?
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Postby AdamB » Mon 07 Apr 2025, 13:19:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'W')hat do people think about Tesla future.

Will tariffs help or hurt?


The way Elon is whining like a stuck pig about tariffs it doesn't sound as though he happy with his convicted felon buddy and his tariffs. The wife, an avid and longing for a Tesla type, has decided that a Ford Mach-E will be fine instead. Personally, I don't have any objection to buying a car from a manufacturer run by a man-slut, but she is more offended by who he associates with. And being a manslut second.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 09 Apr 2025, 20:11:40

I was speaking to an Evidiot the other night and mentioned that the bulk of all the EV sales in the past 6 months have been Hybrid gasoline burners, rebranded as EV under the new marketing plan. He dismissed it as irrelevant, it's all electric he said, all steps in the right direction. This is not the first time I have encountered this fascinating psychological shift where people who believe one thing do a complete 180 and believe something else even though nothing fundamental has changed. It's the trademark of a person who isn't thinking, just parroting the blurb the market spins out.

“Dangerous distraction:” Plug-in hybrids pollute up to seven times more than advertised
https://thedriven.io/2023/02/09/dangero ... dvertised/

Really? They got it that wrong? Or perhaps they just told big fat porkies to increase sales. The latter I'm sure. We have seen this all along with the EV revolution. Lies about range, about new battery technology. I remember kubby and Adam defending sodium cells like they were this amazing breakthrough, today, crickets... Tesla being full electric was doomed from the outset, these politically motivated attacks are no doubt a big relief for the patron saint of EV, the perfect cover story to explain why the company he made his billions off is going down the gurgler. Of course we all knew it was going down anyway, but people have short attention spans and will believe him when he blames it all on the haters attacking his brand. No mention will be made of the overall rejection of the EV by consumers, after all, sales are up (now they include hybrids)

Here is a good article about hybrids from before they were rebranded. Dec 2022

Why EVs won’t replace hybrid cars anytime soon

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..Several major car companies, including GM and Volvo, have announced plans to produce only electric cars by or before 2035, in anticipation of the transition. But not all automakers are on the same page.

Notably, Toyota, the world’s largest automaker, has emphasized that it plans to offer a range of options, including hydrogen-fuel-cell vehicles, instead of focusing exclusively on electric vehicles. A Toyota spokesperson told MIT Technology Review that the company is focused on how to reduce carbon emissions most quickly, rather than how many vehicles of a certain type it can sell.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/1 ... time-soon/
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Sat 12 Apr 2025, 19:27:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', ' ')We have seen this all along with the EV revolution. Lies about range, about new battery technology. I remember kubby and Adam defending sodium cells like they were this amazing breakthrough, today, crickets...


Never said a word about sodium cells halfwit. Your memory just sucks.

And I notice you can't say a WORD about EVs from personal experience, let alone refute the wonderful deal I just got on another one. Or the numbers involved.

Lucky want a cracker? Can't think a single thought on his own, can only repeat things he agrees with and can't refute a single word someone else says when it involves facts.
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Postby theluckycountry » Sun 13 Apr 2025, 05:01:45

Colorado Governor Signs New Gun Restrictions Into Law
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/col ... -stock-ban

The gun restrictions there will exceed Australia's soon, which wouldn't be a problem if the place wasn't full of violent south american gangs. As it stands the Leaf owners will soon be defending their homes with water pistols against gangs sporting automatic weapons. Australia doesn't allow immigration from the Americas, rightly so!
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Mon 14 Apr 2025, 22:31:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', ' ') As it stands the Leaf owners will soon be defending their homes with water pistols against gangs sporting automatic weapons. Australia doesn't allow immigration from the Americas, rightly so!


My arsenal is excluded from next years regulations. Also, if you take the training, you can still buy weapons that the Crown knows you can't trust the adults of the prison colony with. I realize that some written test would scare you into a catatonic state anyway, let alone touching a real live DANGEROUS weapon versus blowguns or spears or whatever neoNazis are limited to.

Now run along and make sure you continue excluding the DNA from ALL other countries which when mixed with the likes of the prison colony descendants would probably cause a 10 point rise in average IQ among you kangaroo riders.
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Postby theluckycountry » Tue 15 Apr 2025, 02:43:22

Yes adam, you're in the hotspot alright. Be driveby shootings soon :lol:
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Tue 15 Apr 2025, 22:59:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'Y')es adam, you're in the hotspot alright. Be driveby shootings soon :lol:


It is interesting, this idea of yours what America is like. Drivebys are no more common in America than Nobel Prizes awarded to Australians.
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