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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Mon 21 Oct 2024, 15:41:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', ' ')to the defense of Elon,

I stand in awe of Elon's achievement. Flying a rocket into space, building a car company? Stuff like that I can only achieve in video games.


So you're a gamer, a yungen? Well that explains your ignorance. Rockets have been flying into space since the 1950's, and people have been building car companies for 100 years. Actually musk didn't built that company, he simply bought into it and then drove out the men that had the brains to invent the concept. Like I say, he's a huckster, a confidence man, but you're not alone in worshiping him, people talk about the rich as greedy pigs for the most part but in reality they just want to be rich too, so they look up to them. Space-X wouldn't even exist if the NASA contracts hadn't been handed to him on a silver platter.

Educate youself:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')esla Motors was founded as an electric carmaker by engineers Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning in 2003. Elon Musk, co-founder of Paypal, was an early investor in Tesla and board member, before taking over

How Elon Musk took over Tesla using money, strong-arm tactics, and his own popularity https://www.theverge.com/23815634/tesla ... the-giants


NASA money.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n 2004, SpaceX protested against NASA to the Government Accountability Office (GAO) because of a sole-source contract awarded to Kistler Aerospace. Before the GAO could respond, NASA withdrew the contract, and formed the COTS program. In 2005, SpaceX announced plans to pursue a human-rated commercial space program through the end of the decade, a program that would later become the Dragon spacecraft. In 2006, the company was selected by NASA and awarded $396 million to provide crew and cargo resupply demonstration contracts to the International Space Station (ISS) under the COTS program.

The first two Falcon 1 launches were purchased by the United States Department of Defense under the DARPA Falcon Project which evaluated new US launch vehicles suitable for use in hypersonic missile delivery for Prompt Global Strike. The first three launches of the rocket, between 2006 and 2008, all resulted in failures, which almost ended the company. Financing for Tesla Motors had failed, as well, and consequently Tesla, SolarCity, and Musk personally were all nearly bankrupt at the same time.   Musk was reportedly "waking from nightmares, screaming and in physical pain" because of the stress.

The financial situation started to turn around with the first successful launch achieved on the fourth attempt on 28 September 2008. Musk split his remaining $30 million between SpaceX and Tesla, and NASA awarded the first Commercial Resupply Services (CRS) contract awarding $1.6 billion to SpaceX in December, thus financially saving the company.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX

Was he lucky? Or did TPTB make a deal with him, bailing him out with the promise of unlimited future funding as long as he toed the line. What line is that you ask? Access to all data for starters, everything that's uploaded from his vehicles and everything that comes down from his satellites. Don't forget, the future is based on control of information and Governments with their agencies, like the NSA, want eyes on everyone and everything. A similar 'Hero' was created in the form of Bill Gates. A man whose company controlled access to most of the personal and corporate computers on the planet.

I know, it's far fetched, but you'll understand when the digital currency takes over and every aspect of your lives is under the microscope. When non compliance is swiftly punished by a withdrawal of services.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby mousepad » Tue 22 Oct 2024, 09:24:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')So you're a gamer, a yungen? Well that explains your ignorance.


Careful there. I'm pretty old already. Are you indeed even older? So old as not knowing the joy of video gaming? Are you already into senility territory?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Rockets have been flying into space since the 1950's, and people have been building car companies for 100 years.

What's your point? That doesn't make it less impressive. I don't like it, but I have to take a line from AdamB. Australia ain't even capable of building a car. Even though it's been done for 100 years. You seem to be limited in digging up metals and coal. Something that has been done 2000 years ago already.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')but you're not alone in worshiping him

I'm not worshipping. I stand in awe in front of his engineering achievement. Stuff I could only dream of.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Space-X wouldn't even exist if the NASA contracts hadn't been handed to him on a silver platter.

Maybe. I'm for sure not one of his customers ordering a rocket launch. Are you? It's pretty much 2 or 3 customers that pay for that kind of service. Nasa, starlink and who else?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Financing for Tesla Motors had failed, as well, and consequently Tesla, SolarCity, and Musk personally were all nearly bankrupt at the same time.   Musk was reportedly "waking from nightmares, screaming and in physical pain" because of the stress.

Crazy. I stand in awe. The nerves of steel you have to have to be able to pull something like that off. Truly only the greatest gamble in such a way.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Was he lucky?

Like always with successful enterprises. Cleverness, proper execution, persistence, ruthlessness, great innovation, vision and luck. All wrapped up in one package.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')I know, it's far fetched, but you'll understand when the digital currency takes over and every aspect of your lives is under the microscope. When non compliance is swiftly punished by a withdrawal of services.
Every aspect of my life is already under the microscope. Can't build anything without a permit. Can't drive a car without permit and inspections. Can't do business without permits and inspections. Can't hunt or fish without a license. Can't get a loan without good credit score. The list goes on and on. Digital currency is just another step in direction of complete loss of freedom. What are you gonna do about it?

EDIT: just renewed my car insurance. I now get a discount if I enable location tracking thru my cellphone for the insurance company. Another freedom gone.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby AdamB » Tue 22 Oct 2024, 11:04:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', ' ')I don't like it, but I have to take a line from AdamB. Australia ain't even capable of building a car. Even though it's been done for 100 years. You seem to be limited in digging up metals and coal. Something that has been done 2000 years ago already.

Don't feel bad Mouse. Some of us just zero in on the crux of the matter faster than others. :)

Did you ever see what happened when they attempted to build a Ferris wheel? Opened 2 years behind schedule...lasted 40 days before they discovered....they can't build Ferris Wheels. They had to scrap the entire wheel, it being so well built and all. :lol: Then they rebuilt just the wheel part...it only took another 3 years. Was probably done by contractors that hired some Americans or Japanese who understand engineering to do it for them.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Tue 22 Oct 2024, 19:55:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '
')What's your point? That doesn't make it less impressive. I don't like it, but I have to take a line from AdamB. Australia ain't even capable of building a car. Even though it's been done for 100 years. You seem to be limited in digging up metals and coal. Something that has been done 2000 years ago already.


Ahhhh, I see I've stepped on the holy of holies and so now you're off on a strawman attack of a nation you know little about. Do you think making cars is the mark of a prosperous nation? Yes we made them, but we are moving past the age of the personal motor vehicle, it's coming to an end, so why flog a dead horse.

Do you know anything about China? You probably think it's a vast nation of indebted slaves but they are so far above you in the things that count it's not funny. While you go broke mass producing ever bigger gas guzzlers china built an electric fast rail network for it's citizens that reaches all the way to Tibet lol.
They're moving into the 21st century and you're reliving the 1960's :lol:


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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Tue 22 Oct 2024, 19:58:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', ' ')Image


Not now Adam, I'm talking.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby AdamB » Tue 22 Oct 2024, 23:10:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Not now Adam, I'm talking.


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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby careinke » Tue 22 Oct 2024, 23:17:32

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I know, it's far fetched, but you'll understand when the digital currency takes over and every aspect of your lives is under the microscope. When non compliance is swiftly punished by a withdrawal of services.


You will have to tell me how you like it, because I can guarantee your prison colony will get a CBDC well before me. As a matter of fact, I seriously doubt the U.S. will ever get a CBDC.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 23 Oct 2024, 07:50:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')You will have to tell me how you like it, because I can guarantee your prison colony will get a CBDC well before me. As a matter of fact, I seriously doubt the U.S. will ever get a CBDC.

You keep saying that inke, but you offer no evidence as to how or why? The US is the leader in this effort, it's all about retaining the Old Order, even they call it the NWO. The truth is the US was founded by Britain and for a short time enjoyed true independence. Then the Federal Reserve banking cartel took control of your money supply and ever since then you have the lapdog of European interests.

It's why you go fight all their wars for them, why your nation is one big depleted open-cut mine. It has been used to feed the Euro hunger for oil and then minerals, and now even timber! Your southern forests decimated to supply woodchip for their 'green' power plants. I could go on but what's the point, you can't see any of this. All you can see is flag waving over the White House as you dream your way into the future, one eco disaster after another.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby careinke » Thu 24 Oct 2024, 14:36:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')You will have to tell me how you like it, because I can guarantee your prison colony will get a CBDC well before me. As a matter of fact, I seriously doubt the U.S. will ever get a CBDC.

You keep saying that inke, but you offer no evidence as to how or why? The US is the leader in this effort, it's all about retaining the Old Order, even they call it the NWO. The truth is the US was founded by Britain and for a short time enjoyed true independence. Then the Federal Reserve banking cartel took control of your money supply and ever since then you have the lapdog of European interests.

It's why you go fight all their wars for them, why your nation is one big depleted open-cut mine. It has been used to feed the Euro hunger for oil and then minerals, and now even timber! Your southern forests decimated to supply woodchip for their 'green' power plants. I could go on but what's the point, you can't see any of this. All you can see is flag waving over the White House as you dream your way into the future, one eco disaster after another.


Dang Tesla is up 20% today. Seems BEVs are NOT in decline, BEVs ARE profitable, Solar and power walls continue to break sales records. Basically, everything you have been proselytizing over the last few years, have all been shown to be untrue. Gota say between you and Cramer, I've made a lot of money betting against you.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Thu 24 Oct 2024, 23:08:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')Dang Tesla is up 20% today. Seems BEVs are NOT in decline, BEVs ARE profitable, Solar and power walls continue to break sales records....



You just pull it all out of your arse don't you inke, tesla shares, yes I saw that, a vertical pop with no explanation, but what does it really matter. Even with the gain it's down 40% since 2021? All that inflation! And 40% down. I'd have sold it long ago. It's a Casino inke, it's not real. Some big players have bid it up short term for gains, it will fall in a couple of days and you'll crawl back into your hole as always.

Soon Trump will abolish the subsidies, the price cuts will have reached maximum and then north american sales will follow the rest of the world down. The fact that US sales recovered is not a testament to the value of the EV but of the stupidity of the American consumer. Cut the price and offer incentives and they line up like lemmings on a cliff. It's all bought on Debt. Americans are addicted to debt.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby careinke » Fri 25 Oct 2024, 04:59:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')Dang Tesla is up 20% today. Seems BEVs are NOT in decline, BEVs ARE profitable, Solar and power walls continue to break sales records....



You just pull it all out of your arse don't you inke, tesla shares, yes I saw that, a vertical pop with no explanation, but what does it really matter. Even with the gain it's down 40% since 2021? All that inflation! And 40% down. I'd have sold it long ago. It's a Casino inke, it's not real. Some big players have bid it up short term for gains, it will fall in a couple of days and you'll crawl back into your hole as always.

Soon Trump will abolish the subsidies, the price cuts will have reached maximum and then north american sales will follow the rest of the world down. The fact that US sales recovered is not a testament to the value of the EV but of the stupidity of the American consumer. Cut the price and offer incentives and they line up like lemmings on a cliff. It's all bought on Debt. Americans are addicted to debt.


The POP was from the Earnings report given after the market closed. I assumed you would be smart enough to figure that out and maybe even read it. I'm sorry you don't pay me enough of your deflated FIAT currency to do your due diligence for you.

But just to make your slave life a little easier, 98% of the things I post on this board come from two sources: Gday Bitcoin and INVESTANSWERS.

Gday Bitcoin-Sean Clarke:
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I started watching this thanks to you (I love trolling Trolls) and he is reporting from down under. I continue to watch him because Sean Clarke is fun to listen to, and has become a big influencer in BTC circles. In addition, he is a BTC maximalist, so I get that added perspective. He is also on Rumble, Facebook, and X.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby AdamB » Fri 25 Oct 2024, 10:29:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')Dang Tesla is up 20% today. Seems BEVs are NOT in decline, BEVs ARE profitable, Solar and power walls continue to break sales records....



You just pull it all out of your arse don't you inke, tesla shares, yes I saw that, a vertical pop with no explanation, but what does it really matter.


The POP was from the Earnings report given after the market closed. I assumed you would be smart enough to figure that out and maybe even read it.
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Bad assumption when dealing with a certifiable halfwit. Maybe read? Maybe figure out? How about..."doesn't know how"..... "isn't smart enough to learn"....."critical thinking is only taught to those who graduate high school...not those who can't hack 2+2=4 level stuff"....etc etc.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Fri 25 Oct 2024, 12:55:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'T')he POP was from the Earnings report given after the market closed. I assumed you would be smart enough to figure that out and maybe even read it.


Read it! WhyTF would I want to read corporate Lies? You think the government's statistics are manipulated, "and I hope you realize at least that much?" Well Corporate reports are even worse. All they have to do is forestall some interest repayments for the quarter and it's all roses. Elon's image is enough to move the market, a good story about Mars or the implementation of robotic cars will do it. There is no reality in the market, just hopium and men behind the scenes pumping and dumping.

You lot focus on quarterly reports and then project that success into the future, but it's yesterday's news.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Fri 25 Oct 2024, 12:59:58

Go back to sleep Adam, no one's interested in the opinions of an old Uber driver.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby AdamB » Fri 25 Oct 2024, 15:58:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'G')o back to sleep Adam......


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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Sat 26 Oct 2024, 01:07:22

EV sales have not fallen, cooled, slowed or slumped. Stop lying in headlines.

Well so says the headline over at Electrek. So what have they discovered? Well for one, Elon Musk has been lying!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')V sales continue to rise, but the last year of headlines falsely stating otherwise would leave you thinking they haven’t. After about full year of these lies, it would be nice for journalists to stop pushing this false narrative that they could find the truth behind by simply looking up a single number for once.

Update: Even Tesla CEO Elon Musk – who, of all people, should know better – spread this misinformation at the very beginning of Tesla’s earnings call yesterday. So we saw it fit to repost this article with some updates.

Here’s what’s actually happening: Over the course of the last year or so, sales of battery electric vehicles, while continuing to grow, have posted lower year-over-year percentage growth rates than they had in previous years.
https://electrek.co/2024/10/24/ev-sales ... headlines/

The article has a lot to unpack, strange assertions that make no sense.
... we have seen a global EV sales growth rate of 22% in the first 3 quarters of this year, according to Rho motion. That includes a +35% bump in China, +10% in North America, and a +25% bump in the “rest of the world.” Europe is down 4% year over year, likely influenced by...

Yet Europe was the biggest market for them, exceeding the US even, so who is this "rest of the world" that overshadowed their collapse, is the analysis based on units sold? Or on percentage increases in the others? Either the way the article is a strange mix of data mumbo and accusation.

So the takeaway... either there is a problem with sales and Elon is truthful, or sales are great and Elon is a Liar. Considering Elon's position as the Creator of all that's good and wonderful it's not an easy choice for the faithful to make is it.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Sat 26 Oct 2024, 01:26:47

Nissan's Death Spiral Continues

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')issan has found itself in a tough spot. Once a pioneer in the EV space with a big bet on its adorable little Leaf, the company is now struggling for relevancy in a post-Carlos Ghosn era, and folks, things aren't looking good.

So what exactly is going on in Nissan's house that is absolutely annihilating sales? That's complicated.

In the U.S., hybrid sales are crushing it right now. Many consumers aren't ready to go full-scale EV, so brands like Toyota and Honda are capitalizing on the ability to offer consumers the stepping stone that is a hybrid powertrain in its sedans and SUVs. Nissan? Nada.
https://insideevs.com/news/735968/nissa ... es-global/

adorable little Leaf, I love it, makes you think of...


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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby AdamB » Sat 26 Oct 2024, 10:07:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Sun 27 Oct 2024, 18:26:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
')I don't know what's happening to my EV revolution but I'm too committed now to back down.
I just hope my credit score is enough to get my wife a new Tesla. I'll worry about paying for it later

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Sun 27 Oct 2024, 18:48:33

Q3 EV Sales Hit Record High as EV Leases Extend Their Share
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')EV sales in the United States have hit a new record in third-quarter 2024, driven by great lease plans and financing offers. According to one of the sector’s leading market insights firm, Cox Automotive, automakers sold an estimated 346,309 EVs in the third quarter, a 5% increase from the prior quarter. EV sales during the period accounted for 8.9% of the total auto sales, the highest-ever share on record.

EV leases have also surged with the federal government’s help. Customers who lease an EV are entitled to the full federal EV tax credit, regardless of where the vehicle was built, the cost of the EV, or the income level of the consumer. This means that EV leases account for more of the respective market than other cars. As of July 2024, the automotive industry leasing average was 22.2%, whereas 42.7% of all EVs sold were leased.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/q3-ev-sa ... 00369.html

Of course one might assume these are all private leases, but companies are big car leasers as well. Why Lease? Because in 4 years you can dump that hot potato and the problem isn't yours, it's the leasing companies problem. This has been a big issue in Europe where business models are more traditional and leases have been doubling in cost, but in the US you simply open a leasing company on borrowed money, take all the cash you can, then go bankrupt when the wheels fall off and open another company under another name. In the end though you still have hundreds of thousands of 4 year old cars no one wants to touch.
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