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THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 25 Sep 2024, 18:27:14

Ok, time for a little Hopium.

New York City is due to get 5,000 new EV chargers through an alliance between a parking operator and charging-infrastructure company.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Hudson Valley Parking Trust, which recently acquired Icon Parking, New York City's largest purveyor of parking spots, is working with Invisible Urban Charging (IUC) to install the chargers at parking sites it controls, the organizations jointly revealed earlier this month.
IUC is the same company that in 2022 unveiled a plan to double the number of EV chargers in Florida.
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1144539_5-000-chargers-at-nyc-parking-sites-could-boost-ev-ownership

Double the chargers in Florida, WOW.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '2')022 Invisible Urban Charging (IUC) last week announced plans to install 6,000 EV chargers in Florida. That will double the number of chargers in the state, and make IUC the largest charging operator in Florida, according to a company press release.
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... in-florida
Two years later...

Florida falls short on EV chargers. So why is state sitting on millions to install them?
Oh! Something went wrong...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he woman, who would give her name only as Tang P, had driven 25 minutes from downtown Miami to find the closest electric vehicle fast charger — and with two cars ahead of her in line, it took nearly another half an hour before she could plug in. Her car is gorgeous but she said she already was having second thoughts.
https://www.wusf.org/environment/2024-0 ... stall-them

It is a pretty car too, a Porsche Taycan, painted an equally chic pale pink color the automaker calls “frozen berry.” Wow, she must have seen it in the showroom and told her white American husband "no more jiggy jiggy but you get me new car"

But forget all that, just remember New York City is due to get 5,000 new EV chargers

New York City is due to get 5,000 new EV chargers
New York City is due to get 5,000 new EV chargers

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 26 Sep 2024, 17:05:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'O')k, time for a little Hopium.
New York City is due to get...
..... a plan to double the number of EV chargers in Florida.


Again...without anything Australia of value to post about....you keep expressing your fetish of what accomplished countries are doing? Does it really sting so badly that while everyone knows who put a man on the moon and built the first nuke...all they know of Australia is Crocodile Dundee was the King of Queensland?

The Chinese aka your mining colony owners are worthy of being jealous of the US Lucky, you just stick to what you and your neighbors do best.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 26 Sep 2024, 18:21:30

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Now I ask you, WTF is this?
A Girl's first car?
A Pizza delivery vehicle?
I could understand a man being curious about such a car, but actually buying and driving one?

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I Got it!
It's a cleaners vehicle, and here's the toilet brush


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This one can get right up under the edge of the Bowl :razz:

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Because when you're a nobody and want to stand out, you'll do Anything
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 26 Sep 2024, 22:30:36

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Now I ask you, WTF is this?
A Girl's first car?
A Pizza delivery vehicle?
I could understand a man being curious about such a car, but actually buying and driving one?

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Absolutely! It's really cool not putting gas in it. The girls car is a Mustang convertible. The wife and I drive the Leaf for nearly all commuting. One of the most economical cage buys I've ever made, the little pod car just gets'er done!
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 27 Sep 2024, 03:55:41

Turn off the TV adam and wake up

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 27 Sep 2024, 04:20:52

Kub was only telling me a month ago that EV sales were strong globally, he didn't cite it, but that was China, all the lies of the communist state. Well times change.

Consumer spending slowdown hits BEVs hardest in the world's second-biggest economy

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')attery-electric vehicle sales in July saw a second month of decline in China while plug-in hybrid powered vehicles registered a surge.

According to figures released by the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers (CAAM), BEVs saw 551,000 units sold last month, up 2.6% year-on-year but 10% lower than in June, reports Chinese automotive website CnEVPost.
https://www.wardsauto.com/industry/bev- ... vs-advance

That was the last shoe to drop. It's finished. Over for the EV transition

EU car sales at 3-year low in August, EV sales plunge 44% | REUTERS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkoDtiTO6Hc

Tesla sales also down 44% across the EU and Chinese car sales down by more that a quarter.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 27 Sep 2024, 04:28:06

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"If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 percent sales decline you're gonna see some serious shit."
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 27 Sep 2024, 04:33:22

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 27 Sep 2024, 12:59:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'T')urn off the TV adam and wake up


Good God Herr naziboi, do you realize how much you project in your posting?

When I watch TV it tends to either be some snippet of nightly news with an interesting national topic, last night it was the hurricane and Florida, NFL games when the Broncos or Chiefs are playing, or reruns of some old shows I can stream because otherwise most shows are as vapid as you are.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 27 Sep 2024, 19:07:45

Are you keeping track of the collapse Adam?

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Of course not! You're still watching soundbites of Biden telling you the Great EV transition is surging ahead. You're the guy with the Sony Walkman.

Sep 26, 2024 Biden administration fuels EV transition with $1B fund for small auto manufacturers

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https://www.autoblog.com/news/biden-adm ... ufacturers

One Billion, Much WOW! Fisker reported that it made $273 million in sales last year but was more than $1 billion in debt. Bankrupt, Gone, Dead.
One Billion for the Great Transition :lol:
But it won't even get there! HaHa, half will be siphoned off for the ukraine and half for interest on the US debt. What a fucking circus the US has become :roll:
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 27 Sep 2024, 19:53:11

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q'): Does he have an afternoon nap every day?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: Let me be very clear about this. This is a president that wakes up every morning and puts the American people first. That's what he does. He does that every single day. That is his focus.



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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s part of President Biden’s goal of having 50 percent of all new vehicle sales be electric by 2030, the White House is announcing public and private commitments to support America’s historic transition to electric vehicles (EV) under the EV Acceleration Challenge. These commitments are part of President Biden’s Investing in America agenda to spur domestic manufacturing, strengthen supply chains, boost U.S. competitiveness and create good-paying jobs.



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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q') Sure. I did want to go back to the question about the title of the bill — the Inflation Reduction Act. Just to nail it down here: If you’re on Medicare, the bill offers a potential benefit. You’re in the market for an electric vehicle, the bill offers a potential benefit. If you want to put solar panels on your home, the bill offers a potential benefit. But will the bill, if enacted, actually have an impact on the price of rent, on food, on some of the other things that have seen prices go up in the current inflationary dynamic?

MS. JEAN-PIERRE: It’s a good question. Right now, it — what we’re seeing in the — in — in the act deals with healthcare — right? — and climate, which are important things in lowering cost, creating jobs, and making lives better for the middle class.

That is — we should not — we should not downplay that. That is historic, again, and that is going to be — going to really help a lot of families who are struggling at the ti- — at this time.

If — if we go back to the American Rescue Plan, the President has proposed and has — has components of that American Rescue Plan that helped with housing affordability, which is also very important. And the work that the President has done, just across the 18 months, with the American Rescue Plan, with the bipartisan infrastructure legislation are — is also — it’s not just this piece; there are multiple pieces that is going to make a real dent in what Americans are going through right now.

Remember, the reason why we’re going through this is because of outside impact that we’re seeing, right? We’re seeing variants of COVID that has happened. We’re seeing the war in Ukraine.

So there are outside factors that have led to the inflation that we’re currently seeing.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Unread postby kublikhan » Fri 27 Sep 2024, 20:47:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'I')t's not often we see a "Good news" story about EV anymore, kub and adam have all but given up and are in full Damage Control trying to debunk the collapse.
Huh? I haven't posted in weeks. Maybe you should look in the mirror to see the guy spamming the forum to see someone in full damage control.

I didn't know you wanted me to post "good news" stories on EVs. But if that's what you want, here you go:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ep 23 2024 - After delivering 21,930 electric vehicles in the entire second quarter, GM sold nearly as many EVs over the past two months. GM sold nearly 21,000 EVs in the US over the past two months, according to new sales data from CNBC. In August alone, GM’s EV sales surged roughly 70% from last year.

The sales surge comes as GM expands its lineup across key EV segments, including low-cost and luxury.
GM’s EV sales surge in back-to-back record months

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')lectric vehicle sales in the U.S. grew by 11.3% year over year in the second quarter, reaching a record-high volume of 330,463 units. Total EV sales last quarter were higher than Q1 sales by 23% percent. The sales estimates from Kelley Blue Book show that electric vehicles accounted for approximately 8% of total new-vehicle sales in the second quarter, higher than the 7.1% share in the first quarter of the year and higher than the 7.2% recorded in Q2 last year.

Cox Automotive Industry Insights Director Stephanie Valdez Streaty commented: “EV sales exceeded expectations during a record-breaking quarter. Despite Tesla’s declining sales, with its EV sales share now below 50% for the first time, the overall competitive landscape for electric vehicles is intensifying. This increased competition is leading to continued price pressure, gradually boosting EV adoption. Automakers that deliver the right product at the right price and offer an excellent consumer experience will lead the way in EV adoption.”
Despite Tesla Slide, EV Sales in Q2 Mark New Record

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')V sales are on track to hit a new record in Q3, according to new forecasts from Cox Automotive. Cox projects 338,844 new EV sales in the third quarter of this year, an 8% increase over the same period in 2023. That figure represents almost 9% of the U.S. car market.

The new data indicates that although EV sales momentum has slowed down and hit some choppy waters in 2024, the market is very much still growing. “The story is steady demand, a slower pace, yet record sales.”
Tesla Sales Slump Won't Stop Record U.S. EV Sales In Q3

Most Car Sales (51%) in China Are Now Plugins!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'K')ub was only telling me a month ago that EV sales were strong globally, he didn't cite it, but that was China, all the lies of the communist state. Well times change.

Consumer spending slowdown hits BEVs hardest in the world's second-biggest economy
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')attery-electric vehicle sales in July saw a second month of decline in China while plug-in hybrid powered vehicles registered a surge.

According to figures released by the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers (CAAM), BEVs saw 551,000 units sold last month, up 2.6% year-on-year but 10% lower than in June, reports Chinese automotive website CnEVPost.What you failed to mention was that the market overall was down. In China, the overall market fell more than the EV market. From the same article:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he world's second-biggest market also sees all vehicle sales drop to 2,262,000 units in July, down 5.2% year-on-year and off 11.4% from June

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'A')re you keeping track of the collapse Adam?Different regions of the world are having different results. BEV sales are growing globally, in US & Canada, in China(market share wise), and in the rest of the world. They fell sharply in Europe as subsidies were removed. However even in Europe ICE was not a beneficiary of falling BEV sales. ICE sales and market share fell as well. It was hybrids that took market share from both BEV and ICE.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'O')ne Billion for the Great TransitionYou might want to move that a few decimal places:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ugust 2024 - The electric vehicle (EV) market is growing rapidly, with vehicle and battery manufacturers committing to invest nearly $1.2 trillion globally in the transition from gas-powered to EVs. Of this total, $312 billion is expected to be invested into U.S. manufacturing, with nearly 71 percent of that amount – $223 billion – already allocated to specific facilities and initiatives.

EV Investments Land in the United States as Companies Move from Commitments to Implementation
Of the $312 billion expected to be invested into U.S. EV and EV battery manufacturing, $223 billion has been allocated to specific facilities or initiatives. This marks an increase of nearly $66 billion since our last report in January 2023, as companies work to turn their commitments into on-the-ground reality.

The Southeast, including Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Tennessee, has emerged as a major hub for EV manufacturing in the United States. Across these states, companies are investing nearly $77 billion in EV manufacturing facilities. The companies expect these investments to create 74,000 jobs. Georgia stands out in this region, attracting more than a third of these investments, amounting to just over $23 billion. A significant portion of this funding is dedicated to battery manufacturing, positioning Georgia as a leader in the EV battery sector.

Meanwhile, the Midwest is also experiencing substantial growth in EV manufacturing, signaled by $56 billion in investments and 54,000 new jobs expected to be created in the region. Michigan is set to gain $25 billion, or nearly half of that investment, including significant commitments from automotive giants such as GM and Ford; further solidifying Michigan's pivotal role in the nation's historic automaking and evolving EV landscape. Lagging U.S. regions are also beginning to pick up the pace: Arizona is emerging as a hotspot for EV manufacturing in the Southwest: to date the state has attracted about $8 billion in private sector investment for EV manufacturing.

Conclusion
Despite some recent rollbacks in ambition, the United States’ EV manufacturing sector continues to show significant growth. Spurred by emissions standards, federal and state incentives, and growing consumer demand, global automakers and battery manufacturers continued to roll out investments in manufacturing facilities across the United States throughout 2023 and the first half of 2024. The Southeast of the country has emerged as a major hub for EV manufacturing, while the Midwest and Arizona have also drawn significant investment. U.S. INVESTMENTS IN ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANUFACTURING (2024)
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Unread postby kublikhan » Fri 27 Sep 2024, 21:48:56

I've been seeing some posts from Lucky suggesting EV batteries die at 8 years. The report below suggests the battery on your average new EV will still have over 80% SOH at 12 years. It also reports this is an improvement from their last report 5 years ago as the rate of battery degradation has slowed down with the newer EVs/batteries. This implies new EVs are getting better at slowing down battery degradation vs older EVs. Good to know the tech is getting better over time.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')eptember 3, 2024 - A lot has changed in the world of electric vehicles over the past five years. When we analyzed EV battery health (and published the original results in this blog post) in 2019, we found EV batteries degraded, on average, at 2.3% per year. Of course, some EVs performed better and others less well, but the average was surprisingly good. In 2024, we performed a new analysis and the results indicate that EV batteries have improved significantly, degrading at 1.8% per year on average.

How often do EV batteries need to be replaced?
According to our data, the simple answer is that the vast majority of batteries will outlast the usable life of the vehicle and will never need to be replaced. If an average EV battery degrades at 1.8% per year, it will still have over 80% state of health after 12 years, generally beyond the usual life of a fleet vehicle.

That’s the simple answer, but the question of how long does an electric car battery last is complicated and numerous factors determine EV battery longevity.

Common factors impacting electric car battery life

In general, today’s battery electric vehicles (BEV) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEV) use lithium-ion batteries. Several key factors determine how long lithium vehicle batteries last and the rate at which their range declines. These include:
* Age
* Temperature
* Operating state of charge
* AC vs DC charging
* Usage (energy cycles)
* Battery chemistry
* Battery system and thermal management components

How does temperature affect EV battery life?
As illustrated below in figure 3, vehicles driven in hot climates showed a notably faster rate of decline than those driven in moderate climates. This is not great news if you and your fleet toil under the hot sun but keep reading for best practices to reduce the impact of heat on your fleet.

How do vehicle make, model and year affect battery performance?
Our data shows that vehicle batteries respond differently to the test of time, depending on their make and model year. Why do some vehicle models, on average, degrade faster than others? Two potential contributors are battery chemistry and the thermal management of the battery pack.

Liquid cooling vs air cooling: which is better for EV battery longevity?
Let’s compare a vehicle with a liquid cooling system to one with a passive air cooling system: the 2015 Tesla Model S and the 2015 Nissan Leaf, respectively. The Leaf has an average degradation rate of 4.2%, while the Model S is 2.3%. Based on this comparison, good thermal management offers better protection against battery degradation.

How do charging methods affect battery health?
The use of DCFC equipment[Fast Charge] does appear to significantly impact the rate at which batteries degrade. Rapidly charging a battery means high currents, resulting in high temperatures, both of which strain batteries. In fact, many automakers suggest drivers and fleet managers limit the use of DC fast charging to prolong their electric vehicles’ battery life.

State of charge, charging buffers and their impact on EV battery lifespan
The Chevrolet Volt (now discontinued) had comparatively large top and bottom protection buffers (regions A and D above) that dynamically changed as the battery aged. While the larger buffers meant less energy for driving, it resulted in a longer-lasting battery pack. Given the larger SOC buffers, liquid thermal management and dynamic (decreasing) buffer size, Volt users could expect slower-than-average degradation rates, and our data bear this out (as shown in figure 9 below).

Conclusion: Operators can be confident that EV batteries will last as long as they need them
While EV batteries degrade at different rates depending on model and external conditions, our data indicate that most electric vehicles today have not experienced a significant decline in battery life. In 2019, we assessed the average EV battery degradation rate at 2.3% per year and the rate under ideal climate and charging conditions at an impressive 1.6%. In our most recent research, including many newer models, we found an average rate of 1.8% and the best performers declined only 1% per year or less.

So, how long do electric car batteries last? Numerous factors determine an electric vehicle battery’s lifespan, but on average, EV batteries will outlast the useful life of their vehicle, especially if drivers follow charging and driving best practices.
How long do electric car batteries last?

If that part about the battery buffers is confusing, let me try to explain it better. No EV maker allows their battery to be charged/discharged to 100%. They limit the maximum amount you can charge and discharge in order to prolong battery life. And it works. But no matter how clever they get with their battery protection methods, the battery will degrade overtime. So The Volt did something clever to counteract that. It started with larger than normal buffers, so the battery would degrade more slowly. Then as the battery aged, the size of the buffers would slowly shrink. Thus the useable portion of the battery was degrading more slowly than the total battery capacity. This is similar to what hard drives do. All hard drives have a "spare sector pool". In the normal use of a hard drive, it will occasionally develop bad sectors. When the hard drive detects a bad sector, the sector gets marked bad, removing it from the useable sectors, and a replacement is brought in from the spare sector pool. All of that is invisible to the user and happens in the background.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 27 Sep 2024, 22:12:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'A')re you keeping track of the collapse Adam?


Since the day after Thanksgiving 2005. Still keeping track....

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 27 Sep 2024, 22:24:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'I')t's not often we see a "Good news" story about EV anymore, kub and adam have all but given up and are in full Damage Control trying to debunk the collapse.
Huh? I haven't posted in weeks. Maybe you should look in the mirror to see the guy spamming the forum to see someone in full damage control.


No one ever said Australian neo-nazis were required to credible.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ep 23 2024 - After delivering 21,930 electric vehicles in the entire second quarter, GM sold nearly as many EVs over the past two months. GM sold nearly 21,000 EVs in the US over the past two months, according to new sales data from CNBC. In August alone, GM’s EV sales surged roughly 70% from last year.

GM’s EV sales surge in back-to-back record months

Despite Tesla Slide, EV Sales in Q2 Mark New Record

Tesla Sales Slump Won't Stop Record U.S. EV Sales In Q3

Most Car Sales (51%) in China Are Now Plugins!

U.S. INVESTMENTS IN ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANUFACTURING (2024)


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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 27 Sep 2024, 22:28:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', 'I')'ve been seeing some posts from Lucky suggesting EV batteries die at 8 years.

Lucky didn't even stop to ask about either of mine, one was 10 years old, the other 9. Both doing fine. You don't really expect him to do anything except talk out his backside do you?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikan', '
') The report below suggests the battery on your average new EV will still have over 80% SOH at 12 years.

I mentioned that my Leaf was 85%+ easy after 9, I would have every expectation of it staying above 80% through 12.

My decade old electric was about 85% as well before I sold it...10 years of age. Sounds like Lucky is just being Lucky....dumber than a stump and a cherry picker of information because he has no experience beyond whatever it is neonazis do in their spare time nowadays.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 28 Sep 2024, 15:30:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', 'H')uh? I haven't posted in weeks. Maybe you should look in the mirror to see the guy spamming the forum to see someone in full damage control.

I didn't know you wanted me to post "good news" stories on EVs. But if that's what you want, here you go:

A trip down memory lane:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ep 23 2024 - After delivering 21,930 electric vehicles in the entire second quarter, GM sold...
Electric vehicle sales in the U.S. grew by 11.3% year over year in the second quarter

That will include Hybrids no doubt :lol:

And, Back to the Future:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ugust 2024 - with vehicle and battery manufacturers committing to invest nearly $1.2 trillion globally in the transition from gas-powered to EVs.
Of this total, $312 billion is expected to be invested into U.S. manufacturing, with nearly 71 percent of that amount – $223 billion – already allocated to specific facilities and initiatives.

Already allocated, Wow, what could go wrong there? Thanks for the laughs kub, come back when you have some actual current news. Like this!

EV Demand In Germany Crashes 69%
Sliding demand comes after Germany slashed incentives, making EVs less affordable for the working class. https://www.acea.auto/press-release/eur ... -declines/

Volkswagen AG lowered its profitability forecast for the second time
this year due to sliding passenger vehicle demand, highlighting the bumpy transition to electric vehicles. https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/volks ... car-demand

Bumpy transition, that's a statement of assumption, the assumption being that what goes down will bounce back up again.

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January? Who cares, it's so long ago, but it probably coincided with fresh price cuts or German habits. All I know is if I had invested $200,000 in Tesla a few of years ago I'd have $120,000 today and be Pissed Off. Doubly so because that's only worth $90,000 after all the inflation we have had.
If I'd put 1/4 million into Volkswagen shares I'd be down to $100,000 before inflation losses!

Booming sales? Great Transition? Only an Idiot would believe that now. The truth we have always known, EV's are expensive and give aways aside always will be. Plus they are crippled by recharging issues and range.
We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 28 Sep 2024, 16:09:41

Optimistic Mindset Linked to Poor Decision-Making

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lthough a positive mindset is often associated with success, a new study suggests that excessive optimism often leads to poor decision-making, especially when it comes to finances.

The study, conducted by the University of Bath in the United Kingdom and published in the Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, sought to determine whether people with an optimistic mindset had worse decision-making cognition than people who were more realistic. The researchers found that people with lower cognitive function tended to be more optimistic, which led them to make poor financial decisions.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/op ... =ZeroHedge

You see kub, you have a low cognitive function which leads you to to poor financial decisions. Adam too! Down here we call people who buy cheap used cars and live in the cheaper suburbs Bogans. And they do tend to have optimistic mindsets, when they are not beating their wives that is. They know they'll be wealthy one day because they buy Lotto tickets, and it's only a matter of time till they win the Big one.

This Optimistic Verses realistic mindset is related to external issues not personal issues. Look at Elon Musk for example, he's clearly realistic about future (and rightly so) because he sold massive amounts of Tesla stock. He also sold ALL his US houses, and he had a few. Of course he has cover stories for all this activity, basically politically acceptable motives like wanting to live in a tiny house in Texas lol. A man worth half a trillion lol lol lol. Reminded me of images of Trump posing while eating McDonalds on his private jet. As if he's ever eat that Slop! Imagine how cold the food would be by the time it got to him. No, that was a political stunt, to identify himself with the "little people" who eat that as their daily fare.

Likewise Musk portrays such an image even while he cavorts on private Yachts. He's for the U.S.A, he's for America and the American way of life and for Made in America... Blah Blah Blah. It's all a marketing stunt and one the US public has bough hook line an sinker, he must laugh his head off. I can see through that image because the realistic mindset questions people's motives and questions financial proclamations. Just long enough typically to avoid the Scam. My major investments gain over 20%pa. Year after year. Gold! I have stated it here often enough, have been buying it for 20 years now. Dividends don't come into it, they are a scam. Compounded rates of return? They are good if you own Visa Card but not if you own shares or hold large bank deposits.

People with an optimistic mindset don't buy Gold "It's a FEAR asset!" They buy WeWork and Tesla and Nvidia, all near bubble tops of course, all when the TV tells them to lol. Think positive! Believe in good things and pour your money into scams so that realistic hard minded people can make their fortunes off of you. Believe in Biofuels, in Shale oil companies, in Autonomous cars and A.I. technology that will carry you into a future of your dreams.

The Future is yours for the taking. Gated communities

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We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Unread postby kublikhan » Sat 28 Sep 2024, 17:34:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ep 23 2024 - After delivering 21,930 electric vehicles in the entire second quarter, GM sold...
Electric vehicle sales in the U.S. grew by 11.3% year over year in the second quarter
That will include Hybrids no doubt
As usual, you are just making up BS. Why bother with the truth when the lies you tell yourself are so much more comforting?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o far this year, GM has sold more than 38,000 all-electric vehicles in the U.S., 6% more than a year ago.

GM BEV sales in Q2'2024 (YOY change):
BrightDrop: 490 (up 64%)
Cadillac (Lyriq): 7,294 (up 441%) and 19% share
Chevrolet EVs: 11,217 (down 20%) and 2.5% share
Chevrolet Blazer EV: 6,634 (new)
Chevrolet Bolt EV/Bolt EUV: 1,374 (down 90%)
Chevrolet Equinox EV: 1,013 (new)
Chevrolet Silverado EV: 2,196 (new)
GMC (Hummer EV Pickup/SUV): 2,929 (up 6,132%) and 1.8% share
Total: 21,930
GM's U.S. Ultium EV Sales Exceeded 20,000 In Q2 2024

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'A')lready allocated, Wow, what could go wrong there? Thanks for the laughs kub
As I recall not too long ago you were posting automaker's reductions in EV allocations as ironclad proof we hit peakEV. Yet now when we find out that allocations are growing, you dismiss the data with a waive of your hand? Are you actively trying to destroy your own credibility? Not that you had any credibility left but it boggles the mind how quickly you waffle your positions when the data now says something you don't like.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'C')ome back when you have some actual current news. Like this!

EV Demand In Germany Crashes 69%Once again with the cherry picking. Why don't you post global data? Let me guess, because that data doesn't match your delusions about PeakEV?

Global EV sales up 20% in August despite 19-month low in Europe

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'Y')ou see kub, you have a low cognitive function which leads you to to poor financial decisions.Oh really now? The gold bug is now lecturing me on financial decisions? Why didn't you reply to Adam's post on how his investments in the stock market beat the pants off his investments in gold? I had a similar experience. My investments in the stock market beat the pants off of my gold and silver investments. You can also find that we are not isolated cases by checking the long term returns of gold vs the stock market. Yet you continue to ignore that. Let me guess, that is an uncomfortable truth you would rather not admit to? You do this on every single topic. Doesn't matter if it's EVs, renewable energy, gold investments, etc. You post BS, someone else posts the truth, you completely ignore it and continue to post more BS. For someone who is so cognitively challenged, perhaps it would be best for you not to throw stones?
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