[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')People with an optimistic mindset don't buy Gold "It's a FEAR asset!"

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kublikhan', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'Y')ou see kub, you have a low cognitive function which leads you to to poor financial decisions.

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', 'B')ut I also understand diversification. So bought market tracking funds along the way as well.

[theluckycountry]

I think it's time we shifted the debate to what will happen to the stranded assets post EV. There is little benefit discussing the Kennedy assassination so to speak, the President is dead, and so is the EV.

It's true that currently there is nowhere near enough chargers across the western nations to provide a decent experience for legacy EV owners, though since many are slow chargers anyway what does it matter if another hour or 3 is added to the experience? I always wondered to myself how this works in HOT cities and towns in the South where it is customary to run AC all the time? Sometimes locking up the car with the engine running while briefly shopping. But that aside, within a decade we can expect to see very few EV on the roads, production will be non-existent by then and all the ones out there now will have dead batteries.

I could see some being refurbished, like those old MG and what not that cars enthusiasts take out for Sunday drives in groups. How that will work with Range variance is anyone's guess, perhaps they will have a mobile charge truck waiting at the destination? But I digress again! The current car-parks full of chargers will be redundant in the future, like old gasoline browsers. These will have to be cleaned up and the land repurposed, not a big task in the scheme of things and they will no doubt be sought after for their recyclable copper contents, if they haven't already been looted! Then there are the factories which will need to be demolished/repurposed. The West, America especially, is highly experienced with this so Again it won't be a big deal. Perhaps the biggest fallout will simply be psychological and financial damage, "people" who had been dreaming (and you would have to have been dreaming) that a great transition to electric cars would give them free motoring forever, will have had the rug pulled out from under them. They will be sitting on their arse after a nasty fall wondering what went wrong? Not just with their dream car but with a chunk of their retirement investments.

Most of the smaller EV companies have already collapsed. This is at odds with the 1930's experience where the Big 3 moved in and took many of them over. The Fisker Karma coupe, once you get past it's stupid name, is really quite a beautiful car (in looks if not in performance and build quality.) That is a design that could have sold if a viable EV maker had taken it over. But there are no viable EV makers, they are all going down together. And why? Because they are not needed, not essential, it's as simple as that! In the 1930's people needed cars so sales continued apace. Karma! actually a very apt name for the poor souls that bought one, or those who took a dabble investing in "The bright Green Future" They have obviously been repaid for their former sins. The Greatest of these being Stupidity. Yes, even the trusty Bible has somewhat to say on the subject.

Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates reproof is stupid.
They were warned.
Claiming to be wise, they became fools
Speaks for itself
Leave the presence of a fool, for there you do not meet words of knowledge.
Why adam's on my ignore list
This is a personal favorite: Always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.
Oh how the faithful stay the course.

Pretty damning words, no? But they sum up a good chunk of the population.
"Fools rush in where Angels fear to tread?" That's a good saying too, and it's confirmed with that 50% of EV owners who are wanting to return to practical Gasoline powered vehicles.

So we see the writing clearly on the Wall now, the unwinding of the EV project in it's entirety. The cleanup of this mess! And lastly, for I saved it for last, is what the hell are we going to do with all the old EV cars and trucks themselves? At the moment they are mostly just being parked up but at some point millions of batteries will have to be removed and disposed of and the cars scrapped. The latter is an established process but the former is a nightmare recyclers are only dabbling in at the present.

That will be a good place to start then. Battery disposal, hopefully without creating vast toxic waste dumps full of nasty chemicals.

[theluckycountry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ost EV batteries, once a vehicle is retired, are not ready to be recycled. Increasingly EV batteries — including those in the Konas and Ioniqs — are seeing second life applications in grid energy storage projects.Mar 25, 2024

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'I') think it's time we shifted the debate to what will happen to the stranded assets post EV.

[theluckycountry]

Lets look into the Tesla batteries for a bit, since they are the most populous EV on US roads.

Tesla claims it recycles 100% of it's batteries, a bold claim! But how many are we talking about anyway? Even the oldest tesla's are not that old and they readily sell to aspiring owners who I assume like the idea of them as lawn ornaments, or perhaps for a quick run to the corner shop and back.

3 Years ago. $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')esla confirms that 100% of its scrapped batteries are recycled and 0% end up in landfills

[theluckycountry]

Are you back from delivering Pizzas yet Adam? I have a great article for you, and a suggestion. The suggestion I'll give you now, Start saving up to have your Leaf's recycled because I imagine you will be charged for it in the future. Unless you plan to do what the other lowlifes there in your suburb do, just dump them beside the freeway?

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'L')ets look into the Tesla batteries for a bit, since they are the most populous EV on US roads.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'A')re you back from delivering Pizzas yet Adam?

[theluckycountry]

Ahhhh, you're back! Good Good.

Here is the article I promised you.

I Bought A $2000 Electric Car With A Failing Battery. Here’s How Bad It Is
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')It’s 2023 and gas prices are getting out of hand, especially in California. “That’s fine, I’ll just snag a cheap used EV... Fast forward a few hours and you’re driving home in your shiny (ish), new (ish), only-moderately-dented electric car only to realize: You might not actually make it back. This is the state of used electric cars in the U.S. in 2023:

[theluckycountry]

When you gotta go you gotta go. Ev owners defecate at charging stations, no doubt due to long waits.
https://pluginsites.org/dealing-with-cr ... g-station/

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'A')hhhh, you're back! Good Good.

Here is the article I promised you.

[theluckycountry]

Yes it's a nightmare isn't it Adam. Millions and millions of toxic batteries, built into the sub-frames of cars so that only a major disassembly effort can remove them. Hard to believe people could be so stupid! But that's capitalism, build it, make a profit and let someone else worry about the cleanup.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'Y')es it's a nightmare isn't it Adam.

[theluckycountry]

On the psychological damage caused by EV ownership

Now I'm not a fan of reddit myself, but it is typically an unbiased people's forum if you are on a general sub. I say this because if you go to a specific sub, say r/teslamotors you'll be lambasted if you say anything against their prophet Elon or his sacred cars. The same applies to r/bitcoin, there you'll be banned if you speak against the Magic software. Echo chambers best avoided for your own peace of mind.

But here is a basic car sub where the mix of individuals is more rational. On one thread it discusses going back to gasoline and there are pro and con posters of course, but for those going back you can see that by their very reasons there is a back story of complete angst. They were promised the future and in many cases found themselves in the distant past where cars suffered from severe range limitations and where quite barbaric in hot and cold climes.

These "switchers back" are emphatic too for the most part, they want out. It's like a bad marriage where the divorce is going to cost you a packet but at least there is a light at the end of the tunnel, your freedom returned! And no more Nasty confrontations. But as we all know a bad marriage leaves emotional scars as well as financial scars. I wonder if anyone will consider counseling services in the future to help people deal with this. No I'm serious! Nothing too involved but these people were lied to and exploited on a massive scale, a chunk of their lives stolen through psychological manipulations about saving the Planet. They at least need to admit this to themselves, get some catharsis so they are not a prey to similar scams in the future.

I know I'm getting ahead of the game with this but we are past the turning point where it's all going downhill in the eyes of the public. Up until just 3 months ago the majority of mass media outlets were still singing the praises of the EV revolution but now many are posting up very negative stories. New EV owners still flush with the excitement of the honeymoon will not be happy to read these, it will be causing a lot of cognitive dissonance for them I'm sure.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/ ... o_gas_car/

One more moderate comments, well balanced, but you can see the first adopter here is full of misgivings and his psychological crutch is "future innovation" He/she will be disappointed of course, since there will be no future innovation in the EV, not on the mass scale, this ship has hit the iceberg.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') know this is an international forum not everything is about USA, but comparing successful use cases of EVs in Norway to USA is as fruitless as trying to sell COVID masks at a tractor pull.

-gasoline is much cheaper in USA
-ICE cars much more expensive in Norway
-higher speeds traveled in USA=worse range
-better EV infrastructure in Norway, (probably) more homeownership in Norway or more rental units in Norway that provide EV charging
-better work/life balance in Scandinavia to spend more free time to spend charging, many overworked Americans don’t have an hour to spare in their week nor can as many charge their car while they sleep

What’s next, are Norwegians going to tell Americans they should just go see a psychologist about their poverty-induced depression because the country will pay for it? Might work for you out there, but that’s not how things operate here.

You could also say politics of course, except I’m decently pro EV, I’ve been a staunch supporter of alternative energy/fuels/transportation and saving the world, I was the one who made our family get an EV, and now I’m the sharpest critic. We just need to focus on innovation in the space and expanding infrastructure and even the USA will come around—eventually. I’m sure my ID.4 will have the resale value of a used mountain bike by the time we get solid state batteries/meaningful improvement, but I look forward to the day I get to excitedly upgrade our EV

Until then, keep making exciting ICE cars

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]On the psychological damage caused by EV ownership

[theluckycountry]

Global EV sales mandates doomed to fail
https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/globa ... ed-to-fail

This is one of those Legacy mainstreem media outlets I mentioned, they play on the "new data released this week" story about plunging EV sales across Europe, especially the 69 per cent drop in Germany, the continent’s largest auto market. They make it clear that a large portion of EV owners intend to switch back to internal combustion engine vehicles and then speak of the of growing consumer hesitation. Now if you were a "hesitant" potential buyer and you read about 50% or owners intending to switch back what would you make of it?

Why the Legacy media has turned against the EV is obvious. Remember, they will tell you yesterday's News, not today's or tomorrows. They are simply saying that sales are plummeting. There is no more talk about a "slow down" or a pause in sales, that was last month's news, reflecting events that happened long before it was reported. Of course these sort of stories are only now "Breaking" and it will take another 3 or 6 months before they report today's reality, that the entire EV complex has left the tracks and is plunging into the ravine.

[theluckycountry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', ' ')

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]Global EV sales mandates doomed to fail