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THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby AdamB » Fri 20 Sep 2024, 18:33:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')It's not often we see a "Good news" story about EV anymore, kub and adam have all but given up and are in full Damage Control trying to debunk the collapse.

You must be doing that routine of A) dumber than a stump and don't remember what Adam said or B) doing the usual make crap up routine because I don't comment much at all about the sales of EVs to others.

Like any rational high school graduate, I am smart enough to know what I want, what I can afford, and how it fits into my transportation concept. I could care less if others buy intelligiently or just do whatever it is neonazis think they do.

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Adam for his part though is obviously a lower-class American with limited education, his emotions rule him, he's not the sort to be hired for rational debunking.

Yes...CSIRO shows up at the office to learn stuff because they like lower-class Americans with limited educations teaching them things they want to know about. You really think that little of your own countries scientific organizations?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Sat 21 Sep 2024, 05:11:08

Is it September? 2024? Yes, so here we are, on the cutting edge of the Great EV Transition.

‘Trying to force people’: Numbers reveal massive electric vehicle ‘flop’

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')Vs have been such a “commercial flop” that manufacturers are now trying to flog them by any means necessary, says Caleb Bond.

EV deliveries dropped 10 per cent in June when they made up 8.3 per cent of all new cars sold in Australia – down from 8.8 per cent at the same time last year. Last month, EV sales slumped to 5.9 per cent of the market. That was despite many manufacturers cutting prices – some by more than $20,000 – in recent months.

Hence why cheap Chinese EV company BYD last month signed a global deal with Uber to supply at least 100,000 of its vehicles at heavily discounted prices to rideshare drivers. It will start in Europe and Latin America and expand to western nations including Australia and New Zealand. Car makers are now rationing the sale of petrol vehicles in the UK because not enough people are buying EVs and if they sell too many internal combustion engine cars, they’ll be hit with heavy environmental penalties.

The boss of major British car dealer Vertu Motors, Robert Forrester, last week told The Telegraph that manufacturers were delaying the delivery of ordered cars until next year lest they exceed government-mandated quotas. No less than 22 per cent of cars sold in the UK by manufacturers must be zero-emission under the rules. The Brits are so determined not to buy electric that they’ll wait months for a petrol car rather than buy one of the cheap, abundant EVs collecting dust on showroom floors.

At what point will we just admit the whole thing is a sham?
https://www.news.com.au/technology/moto ... e29d52ffeb

It's a Joke isn't it. But the joke is on the fools who bought them and thought they were the future. Beta testers usually take it up the tailpipe.

I love overtaking a Tesla in my V6, they are no doubt faster but because they are always watching the battery meter they crawl around just under the speed limit. Out where I live all the locals go 20 over but not in an EV you don't. Adam knows what I mean, always watching the meter hoping you have enough to get home. Talk about Slavery verses freedom.


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How many idiots does it take to charge an EV 8O

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See that bag over the Thot's shoulder? That's their lunch, because when you want to charge an EV you have to take a packed lunch with you :lol:
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Sat 21 Sep 2024, 05:27:23

Poor Bastards...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')early half of Australia’s electric vehicle (EV) owners are likely to go back to petrol or diesel cars rather than stick with battery-powered models, a new study has found. McKinsey and Co.’s 2024 Mobility Consumer Pulse report was released this week, showing the responses to more than 200 questions from over 30,000 motorists from around the globe – including Australians.

One of the firm’s questions asked EV owners how likely they would be to return to petrol and diesel-powered internal-combustion engine (ICE) vehicles for their next car. 49 per cent of Australian respondents said they’re considering a switch back to ICE, though the report didn’t detail how many of the remaining 51 per cent were on the fence or committed to EV ownership.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/a ... rol-diesel
https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/sto ... ol-diesel/

Hey! I didn't say it. 50% of Australian EV owners did. And what else would we expect a year after PeakEV. Hell you can't even recycle the piles of crap! Not without a complete disassembly and by God, don't disturb that timeBomb in the chassis.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Sat 21 Sep 2024, 05:33:42

50% or owners adam, they tell you to stick your EV up your AR$E :lol:

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby AdamB » Sat 21 Sep 2024, 23:33:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')‘Trying to force people’: Numbers reveal massive electric vehicle ‘flop’

What's it to a neoNazi?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby AdamB » Sat 21 Sep 2024, 23:35:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]50% or owners adam, they tell you to stick your EV up your AR$E :lol:

Why your interest in anyone driving an EV? All you do is bitch, you know nothing about them and just selectively pick stories saying things that agree with your predisposition on the topic.

What motivates you to waste ANY effort on things you don't want anything to do with? You just squeal like a stuck pig...except you don't even need to get stuck.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Sun 22 Sep 2024, 00:37:18

50% or owners say they want to go back to Gasoline


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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby AdamB » Mon 23 Sep 2024, 20:41:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]50% or owners say they want to go back to Gasoline

Good for them. I simply indulge in both.What did you do? Oh...that's right...you know nothing about EVs that someone else doesn't tell you what to write. Polly want a cracker?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Tue 24 Sep 2024, 03:10:50

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Tue 24 Sep 2024, 18:20:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]50% or owners say they want to go back to Gasoline

Why you ask?

As if the EV boom needed another nail its in coffin, the UK has now produced figures showing that driving and electric vehicle is "up to twice as expensive" as driving a regular gas powered car.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')ata from the app ZapMap has confirmed that operating an electric vehicle (EV) can cost over 24p per mile, compared to 12.5p per mile for a diesel vehicle, according to Yahoo Finance and The Telegraph.
And charging an EV at a rapid or ultra-rapid roadside station can reach up to 80p per kilowatt hour.
...A round trip from London to Penzance would cost £148 using rapid chargers, compared to £77 for diesel and £89 for petrol. Charging at home is much cheaper, costing less than a third of rapid chargers.

Yes it's all just silly numbers isn't it. kWh's and pence. different charging times and rates, how could a young man with his hair pulled back so tight into a bun ever get his brain around those. No, just buy and EV because the TV said it was the future and it's going onto my debt total anyway so who cares, it's not like I have to pay for it. The EV is a gift that just keeps giving it seems.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/evs-a ... data-finds

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I hope they used Hi quality paint on these things because they will spend a big proportion of their lives out baking in the sun. My 14 year old SUV still looks like new, the leather interior supple, the plastic dash etc mint. That's because when I'm not driving it it's garaged out of the elements. It only has around 80,000 miles on it so it should look like new too. What idiot came up with the idea of swapping out our cars every 4 or 8 years? A corporate bean counter that's who. A man in a suit getting paid extremely well to increase the corporations profits.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Tue 24 Sep 2024, 19:04:27

How Long Does It Take to Break Even on an Electric Car?
https://www.wisebread.com/how-long-does ... ectric-car

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')lectric cars come at a premium. You can still get a hefty tax rebate for buying an all-electric or plug-in hybrid vehicle, but even after deducting that $3,700 —$7,500 rebate from the price, you're still going to pay more up front for electric than a gas-powered engine.
Upfront cost
My husband and I recently test drove a Kia Soul EV. It was peppy and felt surprisingly roomy for a small car. It costs about $34,000, while the Soul without an electric motor costs only $20,000. So even after deducting the $7,500 tax credit, you'd still be paying $6,500 more to go electric.

Another upfront expense, which I didn't think about until I looked at EVs, is the cost of buying a home charging station and having it installed in the garage. That would be about $1,200. However, you might be able to apply for a local rebate or credit to defray that cost as well.

The difference in upfront cost: Buying and getting set up with the Kia Soul EV costs about $7,700 more than the nonelectric.

Maintenance
Because they don't require oil changes, all-electric vehicles cost less than regular cars to maintain — about 35 percent less, according to one estimate I found. According to Repair Pal, the average cost to maintain and repair a regular Kia Soul is $446 a year, while the EV is $267. (Don't forget the tires dear)

Other expenses
You might wring a few more dollars out of your EV from insurance company discounts and free public parking.
( :lol: :lol: :lol: Sorry Dear, quite the opposite as far as insurance, and as for free parking, where, an EV charging bay?)

Breaking even
So, you started out life with your new EV $7,700 in the hole after buying the car, installing a charging station, and pocketing the federal tax credit. You will save about $900 a year in fuel and maintenance costs. At this rate, it will take you eight to nine years to break even. That's a pretty long time to recoup an investment.
(Yes it is dear, it's the lifetime of your EV basically, but you didn't think of that did you)
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby AdamB » Tue 24 Sep 2024, 21:06:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]How Long Does It Take to Break Even on an Electric Car?

Those of us who already figured this out for ourselves through personal experience already know. Those who know nothing on the topic just pick the answer they like from the internet because they can't do anything else. To answer the question the way I do would take learning, and experience, and making a calculation requiring high school math.

Pretty much rules you out lucky across all three.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Tue 24 Sep 2024, 22:04:46

50% Of EV owners want to go back.
EV's cost twice as much to run.
It's called PeakEV Fallout.

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But you wouldn't listen. From Great transition to Great Bust in a single year. That's gotta be a record.

What use is an EV without charging infrastructure?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')n in-depth study of over 19 million data points by ChargerHelp has revealed an overly complex ecosystem of software, hardware and OEM stakeholders, creating a crippling disconnect in US public charging infrastructure.
The existing network of public chargers, a system-wide lack of reliability continues to frustrate those already driving EVs, with 1 in every 5 charging attempts at public chargers failing.13 Aug 2024
https://www.renewableenergymagazine.com ... f-20240813

It's a Disaster for poor EV owners and it will only get worse. Biden's Billions never arrived, surprise surprise. I told kub that was never going to happen but he didn't believe me. America was on it's way he assured us.
Biden’s Massive EV Charging Station Failure
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '5') Jun 2024 — Just seven electric-vehicle (EV) charging stations have begun operating with funding ... That is a vast administrative failure," said Senator Jeff Merkley
https://www.instituteforenergyresearch. ... n-failure/
President Biden’s Miserably Failing EV Transition
https://starkmanapproved.com/president- ... ransition/

Even EV fanboi's are pulling their hair out.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') was psyched when Tesla opened a Supercharger in the parking lot of a nearby In-N-Out burger. The other local Supercharger is located in a garage that charges for parking by the hour. Plus, it’s fun to grab a neapolitan shake while your vehicle gets juice. The problem is that everybody in Southern California loves In-N-Out, so reaching the chargers at dinnertime means navigating through the unruly drive-thru line. This sucks, especially when the battery is nearly depleted and the burger faithful won’t get out of the way.

More than a year ago, salvation was promised in the form of a new Supercharger at a nearby mall, one where I already frequent the Petco. But construction has mysteriously stalled. I stare at the charging map and repeatedly refresh, waiting for the station to come online.

I shouldn’t be surprised at Supercharger deployment being stuck, of course. Earlier this year, in a move nominally intended to keep Tesla nimble and innovative, Elon Musk laid off the team responsible for the Supercharger network at a moment when they were perhaps the most useful people at the company.
https://heatmap.news/electric-vehicles/ ... r-slowdown

:lol: Elon Musk is a savvy business man, he's not throwing good money after bad.
EV owners are being left stuck up a cul-de-sac without a charge :roll:
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby AdamB » Tue 24 Sep 2024, 22:43:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '5')0% Of EV owners want to go back.

How many EV owners do you know, to support this concept? There are 2 Tesla's (X and Model 3), 1 Gen 1 Leaf (mine), and 4 Gen 2 Leafs. 7 in all. Just on my one street here in suburbia. Only 3 of us have solar panels to help power them though.

3 replaced an ICE machine. For 4 of us, our EVs were the 2nd one we purchased.

How about your street?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')EV's cost twice as much to run.

Certainly neither of mine do. Did yours cost 2X to run compared to your ICE?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')It's called PeakEV Fallout.

Never heard of it. Anything else you want to cherry pick off the internet and pretend it is knowledge on a topic? Anything else I can clear up for you from direct experience spanning a decade now with EVs?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 25 Sep 2024, 05:33:32

Hey Adam! Letz talk about the The future of work: Offices are changing, and for the better.

Listen
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a') world that started with factory workers and lines of desks (and cubicles) is being transformed by technology, globalization, and generational dynamics, into something entirely new. Increasingly, today’s workers don’t want to be bound to a desk in a monolithic company. Rather, they want (and need) flexibility and community.


It's gonna happen adam me ol boy, you just wait and see!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')For those not familiar with WeWork, the founders Miguel McKelvey, Adam Neumann and Rebekah Neumann first launched the ‘co-working community provider’ in 2010 after cutting their teeth on GreenDesk, an eco-friendly co-working space. Fast-forward seven years and WeWork has innovated beyond being a ‘design & construction company’ to the fastest growing lessee of new commercial space in the US. Their mission of “creating a world where people work to make a life, not just a living” means thousands of freelancers and/or entrepreneurs are connected with workspace from previously empty buildings. And not just any old office space, but one promising the best of community with all of the amenities one could ever need. If the micro-roasted coffee or fresh fruit water didn’t seem compelling enough, how about the opportunity to rub shoulders fellow entrepreneurs, creative freelancers, and even corporate workers in satellite offices?
https://designabetterbusiness.com/2017/ ... ork-story/

You see ol boy, people are tired, sick and tired of conventional work spaces, they want this, they DEMAND it. It will sweep the world and soon mechanics and bricklayers, electricians and oil rig workers will all be rubbing shoulders as they sip latte in an opulent setting far from the scurry of their former work-places. Thank God for innovation.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 25 Sep 2024, 05:46:14

You're a dinosaur Adam, the world has moved on and left you behind :roll:
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby AdamB » Wed 25 Sep 2024, 12:50:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'H')ey Adam! Letz talk about the The future of work: Offices are changing, and for the better.


This is the EV thread. There is bound to be a Future of Work thread somewhere you can find, and post your ideas and I'll decide if I want to participate.

Out of curiosity, have you ever worked in an office in your life? It is pertinent, considering your habit of only relying on internet talking heads as references because you lack experience with a topic yourself. I left the oil field in general and running an oil and gas production company specifically in the last century, and have been flying a desk for some 30 years now.

I miss the good ol' days sometimes. The work was hard, 6 days a week and 7 if I had to manage an emergency, half and half outdoors/indoors, the company paid for me to 4X4 all over the place, occasionally dangerous, definately exciting, I got to tell people what to do, I could make a $100k mistake and not get fired, testified in court alot when people pointed firearms at me.... :cry:

Great times and stories.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby AdamB » Wed 25 Sep 2024, 12:58:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'Y')ou're a dinosaur Adam, the world has moved on and left you behind :roll:


Partly true probably. Which makes it more accurate than 99% of what you write.

The wife would agree with you I am a dinosaur, but being a dinosaur in terms of age also comes with decades of doing things professionally that I couldn't even teach you how to spell.

However, the world hasn't moved on and left me behind...it took advantage of my experience and put me in charge. You think I know CSIRO and they know me because the world left me behind? Or because the world just caught up and gave me credit for understanding the why/how/when sooner than most?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 25 Sep 2024, 17:44:45

Hey how are those Na batteries going? Adam assured me they were the future and would be cheap and sustainable. Perhaps all that was a media spin, something to ramp the share price and add a little Hopium to the dream? Adam's good at grasping at straws, probably had shares in WeWork :lol:

Ford’s Massive Retreat From EVs, Explained

Massive retreat from future promises that is.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n August, Ford announced it was spiking its plan to roll out an all-electric three-row SUV, citing low consumer demand and a crowded market. ...The news that Ford was scrapping its SUV EV came just a month after the company announced a manufacturing pivot at its plant in Oakville, Ontario. The plant, which had been earmarked for EV production, was shifting production to Ford’s F-series pickups, its flagship gas-powered trucks.

“The move,” the New York Times reported, “is the latest example of how automakers are pulling back on aggressive investment plans in response to the slowing growth of electric vehicle sales.”
The Cost Problem

Ford’s latest pullback from EVs is no surprise to people who’ve been paying attention to the EV market.
More than a year ago I pointed out that news outlets were reporting of EVs “piling up” at dealership lots because of low consumer demand, which ultimately prompted Ford to halve production of its popular F-150 Lightning..

The reality is both lawmakers and Washington and auto companies severely misjudged consumer demand for EVs, which has proven far lower than estimates had projected. There are many reasons for the low demand, but the primary reasons are concerns consumers have with EVs.
https://www.aier.org/article/fords-mass ... explained/

Concerns with EV's? Oh Yes, that would be all the downsides that have been pointed out here for years. Ford could have saved itself Billions if it had just read peakoil.com instead of listening to it's in-house "Experts." If 20 people are claiming a Hurricane is coming and two deny it, you're gonna listen to the 20 aren't you. At least buy a generator and secure windows etc.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 25 Sep 2024, 18:08:55

Tesla Model 3 Prices Dropping Like A ‘Lead Balloon,’

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')rices of one to five-year-old used EVs plummeted 25% over the past year.
The average price of a used EV in the U.S. is now $27,000, lower than the average price of used gas cars and hybrids.
https://insideevs.com/news/733279/tesla ... -dropping/

Why? I mean if you invested all that money in one in the first place, why sell it off at a giveaway price? Well I for one like to use my car's Heater in Winter and if I'd been conned into buying a car that lost 30% of it's range just keeping me and the battery below warm I'd be a bit pissed off enough to sell! I think I'd sell it cheap too, just to have my creature comforts back. Mind you I live in the Sunshine state where it never even snows yet it gets cold in winter. I could only imagine what it would be like in all those frigid North American states in Winter.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow much does climate control, specifically heat, affect range?
We took our long-term Tesla Model 3 to the Chrysler Proving Grounds' five-mile oval track to test energy consumption with various levels of HVAC usage.
With the seat warmers on and the heat on full blast, the Tesla lost over 60 miles of range compared to the figure we recorded with no HVAC use.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3173 ... -ev-range/

This must be a BIG reason for people ditching them. If you lived in say... Bolder Colorado you'd have a daily winter average of 40F, or 4-Celcius. Brrrr, I'd sure as hell want to run my heater on a trip there.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')eating or air conditioning is a big deal in an electric vehicle, for two reasons: First, the total amount of energy onboard is dramatically less than what's available in a typical gasoline car. Every bit of energy used has a more noticeable impact on range. For example, a 15-gallon gas tank holds the equivalent of 505.5 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of energy. That's more than six times what our Model 3 carries fully charged. The second reason is that, unlike in a gasoline-fueled car, where waste heat from the engine is used to heat the cabin with little impact on efficiency, an EV's heat or A/C is also drawing directly from the battery. Any energy used for comfort can't be used for propulsion.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')our wipers are working overtime to clear the screen of torrential rain and headlights are set to full beam to seek out corners of the unlit country road ahead. Meanwhile, the climate system and four heated seats do their best to keep you and your family warm on a freezing winter’s night. To make matters worse, the navigation system has just corrected itself to adjust the remaining range of your electric car to below the distance to your destination. The game of arithmetic brinkmanship every EV owner plays is up. And there’s a chance you won’t make it.
https://www.wired.com/story/ev-battery-drain-tips/

The game of arithmetic brinkmanship every EV owner plays is up. And there’s a chance you won’t make it. :lol: I love it, a Game, a game of stress. No Thanks. Driving is supposed to be enjoyable, not stressful.
We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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