by theluckycountry » Mon 08 Jul 2024, 19:17:32
'Rude' EV problem now making its way to Aussie regions
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')The Engineer spotted an EV charging from the street, which had a cord running across the paved footpath, over an adjacent lawn, all the way to the top storey of a block of units. It's situations like these that are becoming more common in Australia, even in regional towns.
"It surprised me, it was a real trip hazard," Bensley told the ABC. "There was no attempt to put anything over the cable, and it had rained the night before, so it was nice and wet." "You see a lot of that in the city areas, where people are in high-density terrace houses. It's a bit of a surprise to see this turning up in Sawtell," he said.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/rude-ev-probl ... 31185.htmlI knew it would come to this, bloody EVidiots. Range anxiety + charging anxiety. The pictures in the story paint 1000 words.
We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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by theluckycountry » Tue 09 Jul 2024, 12:35:58
Who would have thought a year ago when EV startups were burgeoning and Tesla sales were going up and up that those same startups would all be in bankruptcy or gone? That Tesla sales would have turned negative? Why me of course. I have been calling this BS all along while fanboi like kub and adam kept beating the EV world takeover drum
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The EV will reach its market saturation and continue to be popular, until fossil fuel depletion makes them uneconomic to build.
AdamB "Or makes them the only game in town."
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78588&p=1490465&view=show#p1490465The only game in town Adam? Sounds a little silly now doesn't it.
What kub and adam say is often couched in politispeak, they say what they believe then put a question mark on it so later they could say "I never said that" "I never had sexual relations with that woman"
Why are people, Americans in particular, constantly sucked in by these get rich quick schemes? Financial Bubbles are like Police cars, obvious after you have seen your first one. They all have the same general set of markings, the flashing lights and loud sirens. Here is how they form.
A seemingly bright idea comes along and people begin talking about it, profits are being made.
The noise of this "new thing" builds and builds and share prices go up and up.
After a time the noise becomes Shrill, the intellectuals and politicians become involved
This is the Future, can't you see? Endless profits for all.
Now the masses, reassured by all this, rush in to get rich too!
Then the first shock comes, markets fall.
This where the faithful double down but the politicians and intellectuals drop it like a Hot potato.
If you have reached this stage (and we have) it's too late to get any profits out. The shares you bought have collapsed in price and the EV you bought a year ago has likewise crashed in price. Every investor needs to have a sell rule and if you haven't divested yourself of this crap yet you need to do it today and take your losses.
Rivian, the second largest EV player in America, look at the
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https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/RIVNLooks good doesn't it? The companies rebounding! Now click the one year button. Oops.
Now the 5Y. What is the 5Y saying? That chart grasshoppers is the classic "I'm never coming back chart"
The Tesla Inc (TSLA) chart tells a different story but it's still way down from the bubble top and below the high of 2021. That's pretty poor considering all the inflation we have had due to the covid stimulus money printing isn't it. What would common sense tell you should happen to a valuable asset in times of rampant inflation?

We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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by theluckycountry » Tue 09 Jul 2024, 12:54:16
LG Energy, one of the biggest players in the EV battery space, reported a 58% drop in operating profits for the second quarter of the year, attributing the figure to the slowdown in EV sales.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')We have our back against the wall,” chief executive Lee Seok-hee wrote in a letter to employees. “We should all pull together.”
The company appears to have made a string of sub-optimal decisions to get to this point, namely aggressive investments in Europe and the United States in anticipation of an EV boom, according to the Financial Times.
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News ... Sales.htmlOh that's right, the oilprice.com website is a conspiracy site full of crap isn't it HaHaHA
But there is Good News gentle EV fans
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nlike the South Korean battery makers, the two world leaders—BYD and CATL—are mostly exposed to their home market where EV sales are the strongest in the world, so they have been shielded by the disappointing sales numbers on the other two key markets for the vehicles.
So, move to China kub, and find out for yourself if the communist party is playing fair with data. Oh I have no doubt those EV are being built, built like the Chinese Ghost cities were built HaHaHa.
Adam, you'll be able to score a yard full of used old EV if you move there, the fields are full of them!

We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
by kublikhan » Tue 09 Jul 2024, 15:34:27
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'O')h that's right, the oilprice.com website is a conspiracy site full of crap isn't it HaHaHA
No, I read oilprice.com all the time.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'S')o, move to China kub, and find out for yourself if the communist party is playing fair with data. Oh I have no doubt those EV are being built, built like the Chinese Ghost cities were built HaHaHa.
Oh I have seen my fair share of shady data coming out of China. And the ghost cities, bicycle graveyards, unused EV car lots, etc. Not to mention China's overproduction problem in general that extends far beyond cars. But with over 40% of car sales in China EVs, sometimes over 50%, only a fool would dismiss EVs as a large market segment in China. ICE sales are slumping hard in China. ICE market share in China nearly halved in the last 5 years. And ICE makers and dealers have the red ink to prove it.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lmost 704,000 new passenger plug-in electric cars were registered in China in April. That's about 30% more than a year ago, while the market share amounted to 44%, compared to 35% in April 2023.
China's Plug-In Car Sales Increased To 44% Market Share In April 2024$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') quick market analysis between April 1 and 14 shows that EV sales account for more than 50% of all car sales in China. This is a huge milestone that was not coming before 2028, at least according to some analysts.
ICE sales are slumping particularly hard. Overall car sales fell 11% year-on-year. ICE vehicle sales by Chinese ventures are falling from a cliff this year, with SAIC GM sales down by 14.5%, GAC Honda by 13.7%, and SAIC Volkswagen by 8%. Even the best-selling ICE cars in March, the Toyota Camry and VW Lavida, fell by 59.2% and by 36.4%, respectively.
The oil barrel is half-full.
by kublikhan » Tue 09 Jul 2024, 17:05:50
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'W')hat kub and adam say is often couched in politispeak, they say what they believe then put a question mark on it so later they could say "I never said that"
Oh you really want to go down this road? You? Who posts lie after lie after lie? Out of all the posters on this board, you are the one most know for pulling "facts" straight out of your ass. Lets take a look at a few of your lies shall we?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'T')esla favors NCM type batteries because of energy density, weight, etc. Safety is of little concern to EV makers, it doesn't sell like performance sells. LiFePO4 is the obvious choice for EV's but you'll never see it in mass usage. Profit is all that matters now.
Flat out lie. Tesla sells many LiFePO4:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')esla confirmed that nearly half of all its vehicles produced last quarter are already using cobalt-free iron-phosphate (LFP) batteries.
Tesla is already using cobalt-free LFP batteries in half of its new cars produced $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'I')t's very telling that the world leader in automotive's, Toyota, have no plans at all to build an EV. They see a practical use for the hybrid, the self recharging hybrid, but not a full electric.
Another lie:The oil barrel is half-full.
by theluckycountry » Tue 09 Jul 2024, 18:01:24
Ahh look, kub made two posts. I wonder what he said? Doesn't matter, it's all just delusions anyway. One day he'll quietly give up just like all the Segway fanboi did.
https://forums.segwaychat.org/forumdisp ... -1&page=34$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')i]09-06-2002 Some good points Seeker. I had a thread on GingerChat last year about automated roadways for Segway's and similar vehicles. Segways would take up so little space that a 5 foot wide paved road would accomadate them in the fashion it takes a 24 foot wide road to accomadate two lanes of cars and trucks. I have a feeling that is well into the future if it happens, because of the reluctance of people to pay taxes for anything.
Your point about lighter weight construction is also good. When you compare an 80 pound Segway plus 250 pound rider at 330 pounds, it is about one tenth the weight of a moderate sized car, such as a Camry.
01-20-2003 The Segway HT is terribly misunderstood and, as witnessed in San Francisco, you don't have to just sell legislators on how it can coexist on sidewalks with pedestrian traffic. Citizens, a small number of citizens, spoke out and got their way.
I don't believe most of them really understand the Segway HT. We all have to get the public at large to understand it. It's important that the public and the media realize that a Segway is as much like a powered scooter as a golf cart is like a bus.
Yes, people just didn't understand the Segway and how it could revolutionize transport. "Segway Haters" who never rode one shouldn't have able to express opinions!!!
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02-09-2003 Well, I can't speak for anyone else ... but once I get my HT I'll probably be out of the house and away from the computer a lot more. I'll probably go to places where I'll want to park it and walk around. I can see why people would argue that we'll do less walking, but we're sure not burning many calories sitting in front of the computer. Just having the HT available will lend itself to a more active lifestyle. At least for me
I have difficulty walking any distance and exploring trips with my wife have been drastically curtailed, mostly eliminated. She loves to walk and I'm really looking forward to gliding with her around town, through parks and scenic areas we used to enjoy and now because of the Segway HT we'll be able to travel once again.
I'll be buying my Segway mostly for recreational use as I live too far from my job to glide in every day, but those little lunch trips and errands 'around the corner' will no longer involve the use of a car. I've got distances clocked to the college I attend, to the supermarket, to the drug store, to the McDonalds and convenience store... I'm already planning my travels and I'm really looking forward to that first, inaugural ride.
Bush and Cheney are onboard, it's the future of city transport. Don't be a Segway Denier!

We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
by kublikhan » Tue 09 Jul 2024, 19:06:51
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'A')hh look, kub made two posts. I wonder what he said? Doesn't matter, it's all just delusions anyway.
As expected, you didn't even bother to refute any of it. Just shows how much of a liar you are.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'O')ne day he'll quietly give up just like all the Segway fanboi did.
Ah yes, I'm such a hardcore EV fanboi I drive an ICE corolla and own oil stocks instead of EV stocks. But then again this is lucky, what should I expect other than more lies?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'Y')es, people just didn't understand the Segway and how it could revolutionize transport. "Segway Haters" who never rode one shouldn't have able to express opinions!!!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.”
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The oil barrel is half-full.
by AdamB » Wed 10 Jul 2024, 15:31:56
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')I knew it would come to this, bloody EVidiots. Range anxiety + charging anxiety. The pictures in the story paint 1000 words.
Bloody AUSTRALIAN idiots. Not that other countries don't have folks that can't pass tests to graduate high school, but in Australia even THOSE people have plenty of dumber people to whine about, in this case some EVer or another.
Lucky has this problem solved though. He might not have the mind blowing genius to graduate high school, but he has transportation locked!

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by kublikhan » Wed 10 Jul 2024, 21:19:17
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'F')or years, a decade and more, the mainstream media has cheerleaded the EV revolution. Now they have turned on it and all the stories are negative. This will be the biggest single factor in crushing the EV. Everyone takes their lead from the TV set, it's their Brain HaHaHa
I wonder if you can appreciate the irony of accusing people of getting brainwashed by watching TV while at the same time you link to sensationalist garbage youtube channels. Go and click on the channel for that first youtube link of yours: 'ChargeDrive'. Just from the video titles and thumbnails it is obvious they are pushing a hardcore agenda. Your attempt to rise above the sheeple and their indoctrination has utterly failed if you are educating yourself with sensationalist garbage like 'ChargeDrive'. It took 5 seconds to prove your Mercedes link was BS. Mercedes announced they are walking back their EV targets. But instead of reporting that, 'ChargeDrive' reports "The EV dream is over, Mercedes just ditched EV production", a flat out lie. This is the exact same kind of BS story you posted earlier with your story about 'GM CEO Calls It QUITS on EVs'. One would think you would learn your lesson after getting it so incredibly wrong last time. Nope. You lap it up like a dog eating its own mess.
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by kublikhan » Thu 11 Jul 2024, 20:41:30
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'H')a, remember that Diesel powered one you tried to sell us on kub, the one with the huge engine driving a generator to power the wheels? Yes you got caught out on that one didn't you. Made you look like a total numpty for not researching properly. EV's don't have radiators lol.
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The end of an era
The end of the bubble
Lol! I remember that thread. That's the one you ran away from crying about how you refused to believe EV mining equipment even existed or something. It was like you were afraid of EVs. Did grandma get run over by an EV or something? Am I bringing up old traumas for you? Well hate to burst your bubble, but the era of electrification in mining is looking closer to its start rather than its end:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')DTechEx's report 'Electric Vehicles in Mining 2024-2044: Technologies, Players, and Forecasts' provides a deep and detailed analysis of the fast-growing electric mining vehicle industry. The electric mining vehicle market is in its early stages, but more and more major OEMs are increasingly electrifying their products, and mining companies have shown they are willing to adopt EVs. The growth of the industry will also be driven by complementary sectors being at further development stages (e.g., batteries, power electronics, charging), as well as policy drivers, health and safety benefits, and potential savings in total costs of ownership (TCO). This report considers these factors to predict the electric mining vehicle market to grow to over US$23 billion by 2044, representing a 32% CAGR.
[A potent incentive for EV adoption] will come from total cost of ownership (TCO) savings. Mining machines have a wide range of possible duty cycles, but the most intense of those can require operating 20-hour days on average or even around the clock. These vehicles consume a lot of diesel in the process, which is both more expensive than electricity and subject to considerable price volatility. IDTechEx analysis highlights that a single 150-tonne haul truck will require over US$850,000 per year in fuel, and electrification could save over US$5.5 million in energy costs alone over the vehicle's lifetime.
Up to now, much of the effort in haul truck electrification has come from the mining companies themselves as well as independent retrofitters - working together to modify existing diesel machines with battery or fuel cell technology. However, OEMs are increasingly making their way into this space, taking an active part in the production of electric haul trucks by developing EV models of their existing vehicles in-house.
The large batteries needed for electric haul trucks are now sufficiently advanced and competitively priced to encourage OEM involvement and EV adoption. These batteries regularly exceed 1 MWh, with the largest ones approaching 2 MWh. The wide range of designs and chemistries battery suppliers are employing to meet the size and performance demands of electric haul trucks are covered in this report.
Underground mining EVs are here to stayThe electrification of underground mining vehicles (i.e. electric underground loaders and electric underground trucks) offers a couple of additional benefits on top of those provided by surface vehicles. First and foremost are the reduced ventilation requirements of electric underground vehicles, which can provide massive OPEX savings for mines. Heat, noise, vibrations, and emissions put out by diesel combustion engines are a bigger concern underground than on the surface, and electrification of underground machines can deliver significant improvements to miners' health and safety.
It is for these reasons that underground mining vehicles have been the predominant area of focus for mining electrification. The batteries of these vehicles top out at under 500 kWh, making them easier to electrify and commercialize than haul trucks. Electric underground trucks and electric underground loaders have been on the market for over half a decade now and have seen slow but steady adoption within that time. OEMs are now working on expanding their electric vehicle offerings to meet the market demand. This includes the electrification of heavier underground vehicles, with the largest existing models now weighing upwards of 55 tonnes unloaded - approaching the weight of even the heaviest diesel models. Analysis shows that orders for electric underground vehicles have steadily increased, and they are expected to continue similarly moving forward.
This report brings together all these trends and more, highlighting the sea change that is coming to the global mining industry.
Electric Vehicles in Mining 2024-2044: Technologies, Players, and Forecasts$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')aterpillar turned the heads of CES attendees with a monstrous, all-electric underground mining loader – but the real game-changer wasn’t the big mining rig, or even the electric excavator. Instead, it was Cat’s cutting-edge energy management systems to keep electric equipment charged up and ready to work.
“We are thrilled to return to CES to showcase our advancements in energy solutions. This event is renowned as the proving ground for breakthrough technologies and global innovators, making it the ideal place for us to demonstrate our leadership in power systems and integrated service solutions, which help our customers in the energy transition,” said Rod Shurman, senior vice president of Caterpillar’s Electrification + Energy Solutions Division.
Caterpillar brings electric equipment ecosystem to CES2024$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ining companies are charging full speed ahead with plans to electrify equipment and operations. This drive is fueled by ambitious net-zero emissions targets and facilitated by maturing technologies.
Leading mining companies recognize the urgent need to reduce emissions, aligning with the global shift towards clean energy. Substantial economic incentives are also driving this shift, as ventilation alone accounts for 30-50 % of underground mine energy costs, highlighting the significant impact of reducing diesel-powered equipment.
Technological Developments Enabling Widespread Mining ElectrificationAdvances in battery technologyRecent advancements in battery capabilities and charging systems have facilitated the swift rise of electrification over the last five years.
Traditionally, trolley systems were the primary method for electrifying haul trucks. However, in the 1980s, the Kiruna Electric Truck system revolutionized the industry. Commercial battery-powered trucks entered the scene in 2013, and by 2017, several original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) offered electric trucks and loaders. The momentum in electrification accelerated around 2018, marked by Epiroc's second-generation battery fleet launch.
"Battery development has exceeded expectations," explained Mehrzad Ashnagaran, ABB's global product line manager for electrification and composite plants. "If you had asked us five to ten years ago, we could not have imagined where we would be today."
Larger haulage electrification solutionsThe primary challenge for larger battery-electric haul trucks lies in designing a battery with the necessary energy density that can fit within the limited onboard space of the vehicle. However, significant progress has been achieved in expanding battery capacity to meet haul trucks' intensive energy needs.
For example, Williams Advanced Engineering, now under the ownership of Fortescue Metals Group, recently revealed a prototype battery system tailored for use in a Liebherr 240-ton haul truck. Additionally, Caterpillar has recently reported positive testing results for its first battery-powered 793 mining truck, which has a mammoth 265-ton haulage rating.
These developments demonstrate that mine-duty scale electrification is nearing commercial reality.
Fast charging connectorsSome experts point to ongoing enhancements in charging connector capabilities, which enable faster power transfer, as the most important breakthrough in accelerating adoption.
In 2021, ABB unveiled eMine, a comprehensive portfolio designed to seamlessly integrate battery-electric vehicles in mining. It includes charging products that prioritize energy efficiency and optimize overall performance for efficient operation.
The eMine portfolio incorporates fast off-board charging stations strategically placed across the mining area to support smaller haul trucks engaged in near-continuous operations with limited idle time.
Depending on the battery size (100-400 kWh for smaller haul trucks), charging times range from 6 to 24 minutes for 30 % to 90 % charge and 10 to 40 minutes for a full 0 % to 100 % charge.
The oil barrel is half-full.
by theluckycountry » Fri 12 Jul 2024, 00:51:01
Thanks for the placeholder kub.
Here is the future of urban travel https://www.youtube.com/shorts/k4lHSV6s ... ture=shareWarning against EV owners' 'revolutionary' solution to common battery concern$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ustralian EV owners dabbling in vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V) charging have been warned the emerging technology is not yet fully understood and therefore could be dangerous, or even damaging to the car.
Aussies this week have been sharing their stories about how they've charged up their cars using a cable hooked to another EV, the equivalent to jump starting a petrol powered vehicle, known as an internal combustion engine (ICE). Though the system sounds undoubtedly handy, experts have warned that just because it's possible in some models, such as BYDs, doesn't mean we should be taking advantage of the tech just yet.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/warning-again ... 49936.htmlThe Future May Not Be As Electric as We Think$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')irtually every single forecast about the future of transport focuses on its electrification—on the idea that EVs will take over roads, displacing the internal combustion engine and making it history.
Not everyone agrees, however, and that includes Renault, China’s Geely and, as of last month, Saudi Aramco. The three are investing in a company that develops powertrain technology for internal combustion engine vehicles. The future may not be as electric as may expect.
Horse Powertrain came into existence at the end of May as a 50:50 joint venture between Renault and Geely. At the time, Renault’s chief executive said that the company would aim to become a leader in “ultra-low emission internal combustion engines and high economy hybrid technologies.”
Decarbonization, then, remains the top priority. Yet Renault and Geely are opting for an alternative way to achieve it, through fuel efficiency and other tech advancements in internal combustion rather than through total electrification.
The internal combustion engine has survived so long and remained the overwhelmingly dominant transportation technology for one simple reason: it has been superior to alternatives and its benefits have outweighed the costs consistently. It is at the cost-benefit analysis state that the EV revolution tripped and fell—because it seems that no one bothered to do that analysis. So the market made it for them, with the EV surge celebrated loudly last year slowing down before the year was even over. Horse Powertrain may yet acquire new shareholders.
We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.