[EnemyCombatant]

You've already answered the question.

Al Quaeda is Al CIAda. If Al Quaeda were real, they could bring the world to it's knees. The Illuminati are calling the shots and pulling the strings. Al CIAda are just pawns on the grand chessboard.

[doufus]

"Al Quaeda is Al CIAda. If Al Quaeda were real, they could bring the world to it's knees. The Illuminati are calling the shots and pulling the strings. Al CIAda are just pawns on the grand chessboard"

Whoa! This is getting too weird for me. As they say, if you suspect a
conspiracy or a F up, choose the F up every time. Conspiracies are too
hard to pull off, they leak, they don't go plan and they're just too friggin
complex.

Bush didn't need a terrorist link to invade iraq. it just came in handy.
They pushed the WMD line, saddam the monster, user of biological
weapons, violator of UN accords.

Of course 15 of 18 9/11 terrorists were saudi- which wouldn't help a
conspiracy theory directed against iraq very much.

I get the impression the CIA couldn't find it's own a*shole with a
flashlight, map and brown sniffer dog, let alone orchestrate utter
silence and secrecy amongst a bunch of arabs with planes and
steering instructions (westerners organising arabs is similar to a kid with ADD herding cats).

Nah, AQ exists, they did the deed and the US f'*ed up big time in
intelligence. AQ apparently got a big surprise at their success- a bit
like the coyote actually beating the road runner for once.

[turmoil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('doufus', '.')..or sudden obesity.

[doufus]

Again, i'm not convinced by conspiracies. Even a conspiracy meant to
F up can be leaked. Eventually, the real story comes out and finally there
has to be a real motivation backed by somebod(ies) in control.

Bush was better off and more credible pushing the WMD line against
iraq. they had biological agents. why risk a dumb conspiracy with 9/11?

Of course all of the arguments for the invasion are cr*p, but the terrorism
one is a shred of a flogged dead horse. Though i note bush has flogged it
once again today.

[turmoil]

believe me, i'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm just laying it out as i see it in context of resource depletion.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('doufus', 'w')hy risk a dumb conspiracy with 9/11?

[Licho]

For those who still naively believe propaganda, that Al Qaeda is some real huge organization with sleeping cells and chain of command, go watch at least BBC documentary Power Of Nightmares..
There are isolated groups of mad terrorists and fanatics, thats all.. there is no "Al Qaeda" worldwide organization and never was..

[gg3]

Doufus: Your language sounds as if you've spent some time doing analysis of the problem... and I agree, never pick conspiracy when f---up will do the job.

And speaking of red-herrings... here we go 'round the 9/11 conspiracy mulberry bush, one more time, again. About which I'll only add this bit: Bush does not like CIA, which is a displacement of his unresolved issues with his dad who was DCI for a while. CIA's Intel Directorate is more like a think-tank or university social & political studies department than anything else; they do not plan operations, they are basically scholars, who process information and write reports. And most of their stuff is pretty well on-target.

Back to topic:

The reason terrorists haven't gone after oil yet is a) if they do it in the Middle East, they'd be biting the hand that feeds them, and b) they don't have the logistical capabilities (yet) to do it in the US or UK.

They don't need to know doodly-squat about PO in order to realize that hitting an oil facility will cause economic damage.

But I think what they're after is mass public casualty attacks because that's the tradition where they come from. Blood & guts are so much more satisfying to the barbarian mindset than some abstraction about the economy.

We can just hope they don't get the proverbial clue.

[clv101]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Licho', 'F')or those who still naively believe propaganda, that Al Qaeda is some real huge organization with sleeping cells and chain of command, go watch at least BBC documentary Power Of Nightmares..
There are isolated groups of mad terrorists and fanatics, thats all.. there is no "Al Qaeda" worldwide organization and never was..

[Tyler_JC]

Wait, you think Peak Oil is a mainstream issue that everyone understands and is informed about?

We are on the far fringes of internet conspiracy theories.

Less than 1% of the US population has even heard the term "Peak Oil", let alone understands its consequences.

However, Peak Oil is real, not a conspiracy theory. It will just take a little time before "they" figure it out.

Out of everyone's I've told about Peak Oil (and it's a significant number) only two or three knew about it ahead of time.

I talked to a guy who works as an engineer for an oil power plant. He was clueless about Peak Oil. He even thought power plants like his were the largest users of oil in the country. He kept repeating that line, "well my plant uses a 42-gallon barrel every minute. A line which I find highly suspect considering that that would mean 500,000 barrels a year (which is possible but not likely).

I don't kid myself into believing that PO is mainstream yet. Not until we see Bush on TV talking about it will there be major media attention to the issue. Gas shortages and price hikes are the fault of the terrorists/environmentalists/corporations/whatever.

[EnemyCombatant]

If one were to believe in the boogey man Osama Bin Laden.

It's laughable to believe he is not aware of peak oil. It's laughable he wouldn't order his soldiers to attack refineries -- easy targets.

It's even more laughable that a raghead on dialysis in a cave took down the WTC and the pentagon. And he timed it perfectly on the same day when NORAD was doing a test drill of the same event.

If sombody can take out the pentagon, dammit, I think they would be able to blow up a refinery here or there.

Something in the milk ain't clean people. You already know it. That's why this thread even exists.

[turmoil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'S')omething in the milk ain't clean people.

[EnemyCombatant]

If it weren't true, it wouldn't be funny.

http://www.notmilk.com

[turmoil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'I')f it weren't true, it wouldn't be funny.

[clv101]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'I') talked to a guy who works as an engineer for an oil power plant. He was clueless about Peak Oil. He even thought power plants like his were the largest users of oil in the country. He kept repeating that line, "well my plant uses a 42-gallon barrel every minute. A line which I find highly suspect considering that that would mean 500,000 barrels a year (which is possible but not likely).

[Tyler_JC]

Well whatever, the guy's an irrating alcoholic jerk that I try to avoid. He's my mother's friend's friend. So it's not like we see each other that often (thankfully).

It's funny to think that I probably know more about the energy industry than him just from spending so much time on this site.

However, I could never do his job (whatever exactly he does). I'm a regular jack of all trades, master of none.

[EnemyCombatant]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stupid_monkeys', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'I')f it weren't true, it wouldn't be funny.

[AirlinePilot]

Carlhole wrote,

"his masterfully successful operation in which his buddies outsmarted the whole of Western Intelligence and US Air Defense and crashed four planes into the World Trade Centers."

Carl, when are you going to let go of this? To anyone involved in this stuff on a day to day basis it took no special skills or abilities other than a little raw corage (backed by religious fanaticism) to exploit what was an easy way to terrorize the US. I stand by that idea totally. Our aircraft were exploited, the so-called Air Defense system didn't really exist, and our intelligence had been crippled by 8 years of left wing liberal crybabies.

Get over it, we had it coming, I was surprised it didn't happen sooner.

[Mower]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'I')t's just ludicrous to claim AL Quaida is a republican construct. Stop taking those paranoia drugs.

[EnemyCombatant]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '-')- Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, 59, who revealed just after the 7/7 London transport bombings that Al Qaeda was the name of a CIA database of U.S.-trained Mujaheddin and who was a harsh critic of Tony Blair and the United States for the Iraq War, collapsed while walking near Laxford Bridge in northwest Scotland. Cook, who often walked and was thought to be in good physical health, was flown by helicopter to Inverness where he died in hospital.

[EnemyCombatant]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '-')- Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, 59, who revealed just after the 7/7 London transport bombings that Al Qaeda was the name of a CIA database of U.S.-trained Mujaheddin and who was a harsh critic of Tony Blair and the United States for the Iraq War, collapsed while walking near Laxford Bridge in northwest Scotland. Cook, who often walked and was thought to be in good physical health, was flown by helicopter to Inverness where he died in hospital.