[evilgenius]

Yeah, but I think that empowerment of women will stop runaway populations. Especially anything that empowers their personal sovereignty, such that they are the one who makes the ultimate decision as to whether she will have a child.

I mean, aside from the obvious rights issue, things like micro-loans, so that they can buy an animal. They can sell it for more than they had to borrow. When they can see it working out, they will know the family can make it with her having one or two fewer children. Eventually, the singing violin says, it will come down to replacement, maybe even, like in Europe, fall below that.

If we do our jobs right, we can structure the loans not to punish the women back into slavery if their propositions didn't work out. We could mimic the tool of bankruptcy, which the West does use to this same effect, for them, such that they don't have to go through that.

A tool, basically, meant to give pause. Active people are sometimes simply active. They don't always engage in their own lives to wonder what makes them up. They don't, for instance, wonder why they keep making the same mistakes. So, we pass things down between generations, when we don't have to. We just tend to think that if we are going nowhere, we should be going nowhere fast, like from some song.

In this case, it is to make her realize that too many women might be into the same gig. It might be time for her to try something else? I wonder if apps couldn't easily be made to help them segue like that, so that they can see the opportunities that, otherwise, would get away? Because not everything is obvious, and if we can help with that then we can take away a load that alone used to derail a lot of women in that position, that of where to put their money other than where everybody else is putting their money. Maybe the bank, but endeavor pays so much more?

I mean, imagine what it must be like for a woman in such a situation where she finally has enough micro-credit to buy a cart where a cart makes all the difference? Further imagine what it must be like for her when she can use her credit to buy another cart, so that she can help some other woman out who doesn't have enough credit in some arrangement? In some parts of the world it's already happening. It must be amazing.

[Newfie]

So much for learning from past mistakes.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'S')o much for learning from past mistakes.

[theluckycountry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '[')quote="theluckycountry]

Simply cutting back on water usage won't be enough. So much is used for farming and sanitary purposes that when the dams and aquifers fail the major cities will have to be abandoned. Unless of course you use the last of the resources to build a string of nuclear stations to desalinate the ocean.[/quote]
You talk as if water is a finite resource ,once it is used it is gone. In reality water is used then discharged or evaporated back into the environment through rivers and oceans... [/quote]

[evilgenius]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '[')quote="theluckycountry]

Simply cutting back on water usage won't be enough. So much is used for farming and sanitary purposes that when the dams and aquifers fail the major cities will have to be abandoned. Unless of course you use the last of the resources to build a string of nuclear stations to desalinate the ocean.[/quote]
You talk as if water is a finite resource ,once it is used it is gone. In reality water is used then discharged or evaporated back into the environment through rivers and oceans... [/quote][/quote]

The problem is not that it falls back, but WHERE it falls back. When old civilizations die out because of droughts and the the people migrate, they go to areas where there is water. As far as these big dams in the US are concerned water is a finite resource, if not then all that water taken to irrigate the farms would have evaporated back into the atmosphere and rained back over the catchment, refilling them. But it hasn't has it. The dams are drying up.

Someone suggested above that we desalinate the ocean, such a delusional idea when we can't even afford to repair bridges and roads anymore. But that person has a job in said industry, so their opinion is based on the fact that they would really like to see the industry go forward in leaps and bounds so they can get promoted and retire rich. A lot of what is discussed here is pure hypothetical dreams. Sure it looks good on paper, once you ignore the fact that we are running out of oil.

If I was a member of the Elite class, managing the western world's affairs, I am sure I'd do just as they are doing right now. Feathering my own nest with total disregard for the millions of little people who will suffer when things like the dams go offline. That is how the world works and always has been, and any modern ideas of egalitarianism are chuckled at in places like Davos.[/quote]

[vtsnowedin]

People need water. In fact they have to have at least a minimum amount of it to survive. So it comes down to how to get that water at the lowest cost per gallon. If the cost is high people will stop wasting it on lawns etc. and it will get down to only paying for what they actually need. As the present systems fail to deliver that needed amount new systems will be put in place to fill the gap. Perhaps it will be sea water desalination using one power source or another. Perhaps it will be recycling waste water. Or something else I have not considered to date.
What I do not see is people moving away just because of a lack of water or a high price for the water they need. The market will make a demand and it will be met with a solution or product.

[evilgenius]

I am saying that this can be worked out, but not as is. All sorts of issues have to be solved. LA can't expect to get what it thought it would from the Colorado. But if LA isn't going to, then who is?

Because if LA cuts back on Colorado River water that doesn't mean that Phoenix necessarily gets the water. Or that some farmers somewhere do. Do we apportion things according to emergency? Does whoever looks like they are dying first get the water?

Maybe whoever is in need does get the water, under certain situations. I think you can say that you will lend humanitarian aid without setting a sharing precedent. Society might do that for all kinds of reasons, but mostly they will because of feelings. It will also give those who didn't make plans about resources some time to adjust, but not necessarily set the game up so that they win over those who had better rights to the water.

Because you have cities like Denver taking water out of the system. Their waste doesn't go back into the system either. It goes the other way from the Continental Divide.

In the past, I've advocated for a nationwide water transport system. Everybody thinks it's too expensive. I still think we have to do it.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'I') am saying that this can be worked out, but not as is. All sorts of issues have to be solved. LA can't expect to get what it thought it would from the Colorado. But if LA isn't going to, then who is?

.

[Newfie]

I am skeptical but here it is, cheap water from the air.
https://newatlas.com/materials/drinking ... -gel-film/

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I') am skeptical but here it is, cheap water from the air.
https://newatlas.com/materials/drinking ... -gel-film/

[Newfie]

Tanda,
Yes, could he wonderful.
I will believe it when I see it working on a commercial scale.

I dead Easter Islanders did something similar, but they used to plant a plant next to a biggr rick so the rock would condense some water onto the seedling.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'T')anda,
Yes, could he wonderful.
I will believe it when I see it working on a commercial scale.

I dead Easter Islanders did something similar, but they used to plant a plant next to a biggr rick so the rock would condense some water onto the seedling.

[Newfie]

The herd stirs.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/21/us/lake- ... index.html

[Newfie]

Lake Mosel at a record low due to draugt.

https://www.newsweek.com/archaeologists ... er-1711827

[JuanP]

"A massive rockfall crashed down on Lake Powell. Record-low water levels from drought could be to blame"
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/01/us/lake- ... t-climate/

Ironically, the drought and low water levels in Lake Powell may be causing landslides which, together with ongoing unavoidable sedimentation, further diminish its storage capacity. Yet one more unexpected consequence of Global Warming and Climate Change!

[vtsnowedin]

Sedimentation is just dirt or topsoil if you prefer. It can be dredged out and transported up hill back where it came from when needed.
This argument about the sedimentation making these reservoirs unusable is a complete crock of $#!*.

[evilgenius]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'S')edimentation is just dirt or topsoil if you prefer. It can be dredged out and transported up hill back where it came from when needed.
This argument about the sedimentation making these reservoirs unusable is a complete crock of $#!*.

[Newfie]

More than I ever wanted to know.

https://www.hydroreview.com/world-regio ... tion/#gref

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'S')edimentation is just dirt or topsoil if you prefer. It can be dredged out and transported up hill back where it came from when needed.
This argument about the sedimentation making these reservoirs unusable is a complete crock of $#!*.

[JuanP]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'M')ore than I ever wanted to know.

https://www.hydroreview.com/world-regio ... tion/#gref