PeakOil is You
THE Energy & Meat Thread (merged)
by EdF » Tue 02 Aug 2005, 12:37:31
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'W')hatever the environmental impacts of a vege versus meat diet are, it is irrelevant to the fact that you can't get the nutrition found in say an elk steak or some buffalo jerky in a potato. Humans are omnivirous with a slant towards the carnivore side. You will never find a starving vegetarian.
But you can get pretty close with fermentation processed vege foods like miso and tempe.
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by EnergySpin » Tue 02 Aug 2005, 13:00:03
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', ' ')Paleoanthropologists are converging on the theory that the human brain was only able to develop by the direct contribution of the energy dense nutrition found in meat and fish.
Many hunter-gatherer populations have been largely vegetarian, because vegetable foods take fewer calories to obtain, in many cases, than meat. Our early ancestors were probably scavengers eating from large animal kills, and became hunters later on. There isn't a huge variation in brain size between populations who are largely vegetarian and who are mostly carnivorous, so brain size is not dependent now on eating meat. These large brains probably developed during the Ice Ages when meat was the easiest food to obtain for humans, diets diverged after that, rather recently but still long enough for brain size to have been affected by diet, which it hasn't been. Brain size now seems to be separate from meat eating, so don't be worrying about human brains shrinking due to eating vegetables, it's not going to happen.
When it comes to brain, size is only part of the picture. We all have big brains, but what do we use them for? ..... Exactly. If meat was the answer to intelligence the Western World should not have gotten itself into Peak Oil trouble right? There goes a wonderful theory
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by seldom_seen » Tue 02 Aug 2005, 17:15:24
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HeterosexOrgan', 'B')ut it seems like you have an agenda, comparing a fast-burn deadly nightshade to meat. I assume you aren't talking about sweet-potato, which is a slow-burn energy rich food.
my agenda is global domination! BUWHAHAHAHAHHA!!!
just making the point that from an energy standpoint starchy high carb vegetables don't provide the sustained energy output as foods like meat and fish (or the nutrition). A human can subsist on a completely meat or fish diet and stay very healthy. A human subsisting on a vegetable only diet will often encounter health complications.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his does indeed sound interesting. But what are the implications of this? What conclusions are you hoping to milk from this?
Are you suggesting that people who don't eat meat wont operate at the same intellectual efficiency as meat eaters?
Yes, if you are not getting the long chain omega-3 fatty acids from meat and fish your brain is lacking the nutrition it needs for optimum function. (I'm not saying anything about intellectual capacity though, that is just one of many of the brains functions. Although I have observed personally an increase in mental alertness and cognitive function after consuming large doses of fish oil).
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hich fatty acids and proteins? I have been led to believe you can get the same ones from eating eggs. I could be wrong.
eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) to name a few. You can get the same ones from eggs provided the chickens eat a food source high in omega-3...or the eggs are supplemented.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y point is that the amount of energy it takes to digest meat subtracts from teh overall energy content.
The human body would not waste time digesting meat unless it had a net reward in energy/nutrition. We need that meat to fuel our big brains. Nor would humans have pursued the risky and dangerous pursuit of hunting if there wasn't a great reward for our bodies.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his would differ from person to person, of course. but if you are suggesting that the content of non-meat foods is somehow not adequate calorie-wise or in any other way, please be specific, because I think its a load of horseshit.
