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The U.S. Capitol Insurrection of 2021
Re: The U.S. Capitol Insurrection of 2021
by jedrider » Sat 30 Jan 2021, 18:56:26
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissident', 'T')he routine false dichotomy of invoking extremist speech to argue that free speech is not allowed. And of course only the right has extremist speech and not the precious, angelic left. All the blood libel spread by the leftist mass media and SJW drones on the internet is hate speech. It should be banned according to their own demands.
It's a fine line certainly. I think that if I planned to murder someone on line and someone murdered them, I think I could be held accountable if I crossed some line. That line has been getting crossed a lot, but how to word that is probably subtle. Say I created a fund to give to someone who murdered someone else, would that cross the line? How about all the participants there? We already have terrorism statutes that are unfairly applied, so we have already crossed that line. We punish journalist that rat on the U.S. government. So, we've already drawn many lines, probably mistakenly as well. I'm just acknowledging the problem and I don't have a ready made solution to it in any sense.
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Re: The U.S. Capitol Insurrection of 2021
by aadbrd » Sat 30 Jan 2021, 20:58:21
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissident', '
')All the blood libel spread by the leftist mass media and SJW drones on the internet is hate speech.
')All the blood libel spread by the leftist mass media and SJW drones on the internet is hate speech.
The left don't engage in blood libel per se. Blood libel is typically used to dehumanize in order to rationalize murder/genocide, as per the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the blueprint Hitler built upon for the genocide of Jews and dusted off anew for QAnon. What the left do is use shame to cast people out of society. So the left doesn't kill you but they do unperson you. It is a problem which should be addressed but a lesser one than pipe bombs, attempted kidnapping of governors, and storming of capitols.
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Re: The U.S. Capitol Insurrection of 2021
by Plantagenet » Sat 30 Jan 2021, 23:51:10
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aadbrd', ' ')the left doesn't kill you ....
Actually extremists on the left kill people just like extremists on the right kill people.
For instance, over two dozen people were killed during the various antifa and black lives matter riots this past year....with some being killed by by leftists and some being killed by people on the right.
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Re: The U.S. Capitol Insurrection of 2021
by evilgenius » Wed 03 Feb 2021, 06:01:52
I think, along the lines of unpersoning, that the right is offended by the left's use of rights that are characterized as extending from an individual's identity, and not extending from their broader definition as a human being in general. At least, the right's fears frame it that way. That is actually something to be afraid of in any society.
Then too, the left keeps trying to tell the right that the definition of human being has been slanted toward whiteness for so long that it has lost power to represent some people fully. Oh, it is the Twenty First Century, they can get some of what they have a right to, but not everything.
To which the right counters that whites were never what the focus was about, but economic certainty. The definition, they might assert, has been pegged to success, and the left are trying to insist upon honoring failure. The way this argues out goes on and on...
Interestingly, both sides claim a legitimate reaction to slow, or structural, violence. The left claim their protests are against institutionalized racism. The right claim theirs are against the fundamental trampling of their constitutional rights.
Then too, the left keeps trying to tell the right that the definition of human being has been slanted toward whiteness for so long that it has lost power to represent some people fully. Oh, it is the Twenty First Century, they can get some of what they have a right to, but not everything.
To which the right counters that whites were never what the focus was about, but economic certainty. The definition, they might assert, has been pegged to success, and the left are trying to insist upon honoring failure. The way this argues out goes on and on...
Interestingly, both sides claim a legitimate reaction to slow, or structural, violence. The left claim their protests are against institutionalized racism. The right claim theirs are against the fundamental trampling of their constitutional rights.
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Re: The U.S. Capitol Insurrection of 2021
by jedrider » Thu 11 Feb 2021, 13:58:54
So, according to the timeline of events as presented in the Trump impeachment II hearings: Trump tweeted 'Get Pence' after he knew that the riot had succeeded in penetrating the Capitol building! That tells me that Trump is such a deranged figure that he could have used the insanity defense or, at least, temporary insanity (even though we all know that there is nothing temporary about his derangement). I think he should have eaten a Twinkie first, for his own later defense. Still, pretty amazing that he would go after one of his own enablers that way. Textbook narcissism certainly.
I haven't listened to much of the impeachment, just being too busy to engage, but one line did stand out from listening today:
"Our constitution REQUIRES that Donald Trump be impeached." Yes, I have to agree with that. Not only did Donald Trump kill a person, but our democracy and republic are severely wounded at a result, and he may still get away with it. Amazing.
Now, I want Biden to stop trying to extradite Julian Assange.
I haven't listened to much of the impeachment, just being too busy to engage, but one line did stand out from listening today:
"Our constitution REQUIRES that Donald Trump be impeached." Yes, I have to agree with that. Not only did Donald Trump kill a person, but our democracy and republic are severely wounded at a result, and he may still get away with it. Amazing.
Now, I want Biden to stop trying to extradite Julian Assange.
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Re: The U.S. Capitol Insurrection of 2021
by Pops » Thu 11 Feb 2021, 14:25:45
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'I') think, along the lines of unpersoning, that the right is offended by the left's use of rights that are characterized as extending from an individual's identity, and not extending from their broader definition as a human being in general. At least, the right's fears frame it that way. That is actually something to be afraid of in any society.
Not sure whether you actually believe that or believe The Right believes that.
The "right" defends whites, christians and men.<PERIOD
Rejects human rights almost universally
Here are a few examples
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
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