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Unread postby Yavicleus » Sat 30 Jul 2005, 22:13:55

Not that I trust news from Worldnetdaily but...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=45203

Let's hypothetically say, "what if terrorists detonated 1 to 12 nukes (in the 1 - 10 kiloton range) in the US".

How do you think the USA as a country would respond?
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Unread postby EnergySpin » Sat 30 Jul 2005, 22:17:30

And may I ask who or what is MS-13?
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 30 Jul 2005, 22:20:33

I'll be honest. Its not something I'd want to even contemplate.
America would have the green light to do anything, ANYTHING, it wanted and we'd tell the world to pound sand if they didnt like it.
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Unread postby Yavicleus » Sat 30 Jul 2005, 22:22:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', 'A')nd may I ask who or what is MS-13?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ara Salvatrucha, MS-13 or "MS", is a street gang of Salvadorans. The gang originated among Salvadorans living in Los Angeles, California, but has since spread to El Salvador itself. It emerged in the 1980s during that El Salvador's violent civil war and is estimated as of 2005 to have 100,000 members.


edit: and for further reading:

Effects of a 10 KT nuke
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/ ... scen-1.htm

the Al Qaeda Training manual
http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/trainingmanual.htm
...delenda est.
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Unread postby Eli » Sat 30 Jul 2005, 22:34:44

We have kicked this one around before.

Well first of all think the whole thing is pretty far fetched but it is not outside the relm of possibilty.

Holding back and waiting to strike is a great plan if Al Queda had more than 1 nuke they would damn well want to get them all over here and in place because if they set off one all hell would literaly break loose.
The US would be under martial law and know one would be on the streets after dark.

Here is a link to film you can get about nuclear terror. Ted Turnner, and Warren Buffet and the former Democrat Sam Nunn are involved in it.


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If al queda did pull this of it would be Armegedon and hell on earth end of story.
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Unread postby EnergySpin » Sat 30 Jul 2005, 22:41:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I')'ll be honest. Its not something I'd want to even contemplate.
America would have the green light to do anything, ANYTHING, it wanted and we'd tell the world to pound sand if they didnt like it.

Correct but at there are plenty of ICBMs left from the USSR era, not to mention nukes by friendly Western Forces which could be deployed if the oil support from the Mid East were diverted. I hope you are not wishing for such a scenario mate in order for "America .... to do anything, ANYTHING"?
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 30 Jul 2005, 22:41:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'T')he US would be under martial law and know one would be on the streets after dark.

I would be. :)
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Unread postby Yavicleus » Sat 30 Jul 2005, 22:45:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'W')e have kicked this one around before.

Well first of all think the whole thing is pretty far fetched but it is not outside the relm of possibilty.


Yeah, I also think it's pretty far fetched. I'm pretty skeptical of Al Qaeda's ability to carry out large scale attacks these days. Suicide bombers carrying backpacks of home made explosives? Yes, likely. Suicide bombers with nukes? I doubt it.

Like I said, I'm especially skeptical of news that comes via Worldnetdaily, but I wanted to toss around the idea anyway.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'H')ere is a link to film you can get about nuclear terror. Ted Turnner, and Warren Buffet and the former Democrat Sam Nunn are involved in it.

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Kick ass! Fred Thompson rocks!

Yeah...see, when I see stuff like that come out, the conspiracist in me thinks that this is all scare tactics. But another part of me, a rational part, recognizes the need for films like this to be made so that policy changes can be enacted: such as tightening border security.
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Unread postby Jaymax » Sat 30 Jul 2005, 22:53:25

And again:

the most significant part of the article is this:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')ccording to an upcoming book, "The Al Qaeda Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime and the Coming Apocalypse," by Paul L. Williams, a former FBI consultant.


This is nothing more that an attempt to push up sales of a book to the gullible. Were any of this true, do you not think the rumours would have leaked out at some time before a book was about to hit the shelves?

One of the primary rules of bullshit detection: Is anybody profiting from the spread of the information?

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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 30 Jul 2005, 23:01:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I')'ll be honest. Its not something I'd want to even contemplate.
America would have the green light to do anything, ANYTHING, it wanted and we'd tell the world to pound sand if they didnt like it.

Correct but at there are plenty of ICBMs left from the USSR era, not to mention nukes by friendly Western Forces which could be deployed if the oil support from the Mid East were diverted. I hope you are not wishing for such a scenario mate in order for "America .... to do anything, ANYTHING"?


HELL NO!!

I should add though, as sad as it is to say it we need another "wake up call".
American people are too short term in their memory. What happened yesterday just doesnt even register with them anymore. The reason the terrorists will ultimately win is they NEVER give up. Americans give up the next day.
Until the disgusting fat and lazy American public can sign on to the war on terror until its finished, we will never be safe.
Course when the next election comes and we get a Democrat, we'll not be safe either.

Essentially, the fat lazy complacent Americans and the tree hugging anti war hippies are ensuring America will NEVER be safe.
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Unread postby EnergySpin » Sat 30 Jul 2005, 23:11:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')ntil the disgusting fat and lazy American public can sign on to the war on terror until its finished, we will never be safe.

You need commitment for that dude, not a video - game mentality,
BTW how come the Britts were able to arrest all the terrorists (inspite of shooting that Brazilian) within a week?
What's up with that?
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Unread postby Yavicleus » Sat 30 Jul 2005, 23:21:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', 'B')TW how come the Britts were able to arrest all the terrorists (inspite of shooting that Brazilian) within a week?
What's up with that?


Um...Because they've had decades of anti-terrorist training due to the IRA threat?
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Unread postby markam » Sat 30 Jul 2005, 23:21:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')ree hugging anti war hippies are ensuring America will NEVER be safe.


No, I think Bush is the one ensuring our perpetual danger.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 30 Jul 2005, 23:35:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')ntil the disgusting fat and lazy American public can sign on to the war on terror until its finished, we will never be safe.

You need commitment for that dude, not a video - game mentality,
BTW how come the Britts were able to arrest all the terrorists (inspite of shooting that Brazilian) within a week?
What's up with that?


Because Britain has a long history of dealing with terrorism, and Britian uses video cameras extensively throughout its society which aids in identification.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 30 Jul 2005, 23:38:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('markam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')ree hugging anti war hippies are ensuring America will NEVER be safe.


No, I think Bush is the one ensuring our perpetual danger.


This is the ignorance I speak of.
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Unread postby Daculling » Sun 31 Jul 2005, 00:08:12

Ahh, MS13

I live in said oranization's territory. They like to cut people's limbs off. They are a forgien invasionary force, yet we do nothing.... because they have brown skin, better build some more free health clinics and promote them to incompentence. That will fix the problem.

I think I'm going to buy some guns... oh, wait I already have. I guess I just wait now until my government collapes. Sad.
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Unread postby markam » Sun 31 Jul 2005, 01:09:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his is the ignorance I speak of.


How could you look at the world right now and think that this administration has done anything right.

They have destroyed any chance of a soft landing with PO. They have wasted 100s of billions of dollars in a war which has accomplished nothing. They have pissed of the entire world and made millions of new enemies. They lie and they trash the constitution. They are so fucking incompetent that they have ruined the dollar.

What could you possibly think they have done right?
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Unread postby Jaymax » Sun 31 Jul 2005, 01:19:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')ntil the disgusting fat and lazy American public can sign on to the war on terror until its finished, we will never be safe.

You need commitment for that dude, not a video - game mentality,
BTW how come the Britts were able to arrest all the terrorists (inspite of shooting that Brazilian) within a week?
What's up with that?


Because Britain has a long history of dealing with terrorism, and Britian uses video cameras extensively throughout its society which aids in identification.


One small part of the reason, is that the Muslim community here has it's fair complement of tree hugging anti war hippies (well, own variant thereof. The shock and outrage has been pretty strong (as you can imagine) and the Muslim community has been very anti-war - and there's nothing better for catching criminals than having 'their own' community dob them in.

Same thing happened with the Real IRA after the good friday agreement. Suddenly, those who sort to carry on terrorism in Northern Ireland found themselves being arested on the way to blow up things in Belfast.

The key to fighting terrorism, as always, is making sure you have the moderates on your side, so they tell you what the extremists are up to - and the key to that, as always, is listening and being reasonable.

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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 31 Jul 2005, 01:19:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('markam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his is the ignorance I speak of.


How could you look at the world right now and think that this administration has done anything right.

They have destroyed any chance of a soft landing with PO. They have wasted 100s of billions of dollars in a war which has accomplished nothing. They have pissed of the entire world and made millions of new enemies. They lie and they trash the constitution. They are so fucking incompetent that they have ruined the dollar.

What could you possibly think they have done right?


I'm not saying this Administration has done right or wrong.
I'm saying alot of the American public is so short sighted they blame ALL of todays problems on the current Administration.
They forget theres been terrorist attacks since the 70's. But its all Bushs fault.
They forget we knew about PO in the 70's. But its all Bushs fault.

The list goes on, but I'll stop there as the point has been made.
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Unread postby Carrie » Sun 31 Jul 2005, 01:54:39

I'm skeptical of this story, but there have been rumours about this for a few years now. Also, this bulletin on the U.S. Northern Command website caught my eye:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')udden Response 05 will take place this August on Fort Monroe and will be carried out as an internal command post exercise. The exercise is intended to train the JTF-CS staff to plan and execute Consequence Management operations in support of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IV’s response to a nuclear detonation.

http://tinyurl.com/76c7s
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