[careinke]

I just finished watching "The Social Dilemma" on Netflix. Hopefully some of you have also watched it, because I'm curious on your take. It certainly made me look at a lot of things very differently. I wonder if we have all been programmed in our beliefs, not out of any desire to change things for the good, but merely to make us generate more money the social media companies.

Unforeseen consequence of these Algorithms, have been tribalism and the polarization of societies. Examples are given not just in the US but world wide.

Anyway, I strongly recommend watching this documentary. It could alter your current paradigm, in a short hour and a half.

Hopefully comments on this thread will be limited to the people who actually watched "The Social Dilemma." My preconceptions about the Documentary were completely off base, yours may be too.

[Plantagenet]

I'm sorry but I didn't watch "The Social Dilemma" and I don't subscribe to Netflix.

Nonetheless, the question of whether or not social media is causing an increase in political polarization and tribalism is being discussed in many places in addition to the presentation you saw on netflix.

Personally, I think its already clear that social media does have some very negative consequences and I'm amazed that anyone would question it. There have been a series of scientific studies that have already proven that social media causes increased political polarization. For instance consider this scientific study published in 2018:

Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences: Exposure to opposing views on social media can increase political polarization

Personally I avoid all social media (with the exception of this website). In particular I consider TWITTER to be a tool of the devil, and anytime I read about any tweet from Trump or Biden or Pelosi or anybody, I try very hard not to pay attention to it, because the entire format of TWITTER is designed to encourage short, infuriating shots that will get people wee-wee'd up, but not present any thoughtful commentary or data to back up the Tweet. As far as I'm concerned that is dumb and I don't care about it.

Cheers!

[Ibon]

Careinke

Thanks for the recommendation. Watched that documentary tonight on Netflix with my family here at Mount Totumas. It wedges together with a post I made earlier today
here:

let-s-dig-up-dead-people-because-they-are-racist-t71520-460.html#p1458090

I mentioned in that post that we have digital fake tribalism. After seeing this documentary it seems this fake tribalism is designed tribalism since tribalism itself is such a successful way for these technology companies to compete for more of your time which is ultimately how the turn you into a comodity.

What is truth, what is original thought. What is free will in this digital age where these algorithms are designed around the commodification of users?

A tree is worth more processed than alive. So is a whale. And now humans have become the commodity product.

Careinke, your agorist belief system of a voluntary exchange without coercion between individuals must have been firing adrenalin flight response to your nervous system when you were watching that documentary !!!!!!!

That documentary put the nail in the coffin for me that the tribalism we see happening today is indeed a digital fake matrix.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')Careinke, your agorist belief system of a voluntary exchange without coercion between individuals must have been firing adrenalin flight response to your nervous system when you were watching that documentary !!!!!!!

That documentary put the nail in the coffin for me that the tribalism we see happening today is indeed a digital fake matrix.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')
Still the problem is the solution, and until I can come up with something more effective, at least promoting this Documentary is a start. Abolish Ignorance.

[asg70]

I see it as more of the unintended consequences of technology than just a simplistic top down profit conspiracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksDh2QSUcfU

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', 'I') see it as more of the unintended consequences of technology than just a simplistic top down profit conspiracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksDh2QSUcfU

[asg70]

Capitalism appealing to primal urges is nothing new and it's not even just about anger either.

For instance:

Sex then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K5BgCI-U7c

Sex now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc5IbN4xw70

So if we're going to attack captains of industry for gaming the human mind for profit we really should start much much earlier than the internet.

My opinion is that it's the responsibility of individuals not to allow themselves to be subliminally sucked into brain-stem thinking. Demonizing Madison Avenue or silicon valley is putting the cart before the horse. It also, paradoxically, generates just another flavor of outrage rather than getting to the root of the problem, which is the vulnerability of human nature itself.

Too many people live unexamined lives and it's childish nanny-state thinking to simply point the finger upwards to business.

Outside of non-profits I don't think socially responsible capitalism exists. What looks like altruism is most often just a marketing tactic--like we see most often these days with woke entertainment and virtue signals. Even Ben & Jerry's sold out in the end.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', 'C')apitalism appealing to primal urges is nothing new and it's not even just about anger either.

For instance:

Sex then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K5BgCI-U7c

Sex now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc5IbN4xw70

So if we're going to attack captains of industry for gaming the human mind for profit we really should start much much earlier than the internet.

My opinion is that it's the responsibility of individuals not to allow themselves to be subliminally sucked into brain-stem thinking. Demonizing Madison Avenue or silicon valley is putting the cart before the horse. It also, paradoxically, generates just another flavor of outrage rather than getting to the root of the problem, which is the vulnerability of human nature itself.

Too many people live unexamined lives and it's childish nanny-state thinking to simply point the finger upwards to business.

Outside of non-profits I don't think socially responsible capitalism exists. What looks like altruism is most often just a marketing tactic--like we see most often these days with woke entertainment and virtue signals. Even Ben & Jerry's sold out in the end.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '
')
So if we're going to attack captains of industry for gaming the human mind for profit we really should start much much earlier than the internet.

My opinion is that it's the responsibility of individuals not to allow themselves to be subliminally sucked into brain-stem thinking. Demonizing Madison Avenue or silicon valley is putting the cart before the horse. It also, paradoxically, generates just another flavor of outrage rather than getting to the root of the problem, which is the vulnerability of human nature itself.

[Tanada]

Have not watched it yet but put it in my Netflix cue so I can when I get time to spare.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')That is why you cannot just let it up to each individual.

[jedrider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')That is why you cannot just let it up to each individual.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')That is why you cannot just let it up to each individual.

[jedrider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')That is why you cannot just let it up to each individual.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', 'C')apitalism appealing to primal urges is nothing new and it's not even just about anger either.

...

So if we're going to attack captains of industry for gaming the human mind for profit we really should start much much earlier than the internet.

My opinion is that it's the responsibility of individuals not to allow themselves to be subliminally sucked into brain-stem thinking. Demonizing Madison Avenue or silicon valley is putting the cart before the horse. It also, paradoxically, generates just another flavor of outrage rather than getting to the root of the problem, which is the vulnerability of human nature itself.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '
')
Sadly, I strongly suspect that even though this documentary shows that social media on the internet is to reality distortion as obesity is (mostly) due to a bad diet and too little activity, VERY FEW people are going to be willing or psychologically able to PUT DOWN the internet fork.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '
')
Sadly, I strongly suspect that even though this documentary shows that social media on the internet is to reality distortion as obesity is (mostly) due to a bad diet and too little activity, VERY FEW people are going to be willing or psychologically able to PUT DOWN the internet fork.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'C')ompulsive gamblers use no drugs, (if you don't count endorphins), but they are still addicts. Same principles apply here.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '
')Which is why I support a technocracy. The intelligentsia needs to save the knuckle draggers from their own base instinct. It's elitist but it reflects the world as I see it.