[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yellowcanoe', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'Y')es, whatever the reason, skills in STEM are going down in alarming way.
Here in Poland graduate chemists are usually not fit to work safely and productively in the lab even with common chemicals like sulfuric acid or sodium and even PhD-s are struggling.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', '[')b]The Consequences of Incompetence

MCM, the contractor behind FIU bridge that collapsed, files for bankruptcy protection
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article227009999.html

Many other instances of incompetence needs their comeuppance IMO.

[jedrider]

Bridges in the Sky, I suppose.

Why Boeing may never recover from its 737 debacle
https://www.alternet.org/2019/06/why-boeing-may-never-recover-from-its-737-debacle/

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')eyond the scale of human tragedy, the whole episode provides another sad illustration that our system of governance remains profoundly sick, perhaps terminal. Washington policymakers continue to make the citizenry even more ill through their venal corruption—that is, when their political malpractice doesn’t literally kill them in the process.

[Newfie]

Towards the bottom he asks.....
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')We can only imagine what is next—allowing the criminals to regulate the prison system?

[jedrider]

Bridges in Time, collapsed.

The Day the Music Burned
https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/the-day-the-music-burned/ar-AACIbo2?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '�')��People who have made fortunes in film have been more interested in contributing toward preservation than those who’ve made fortunes in music,” Seligman says. “It’s viewed as a niche issue, when in fact it’s an existential issue. Musicians themselves don’t seem to understand what’s at stake.”

[jedrider]

It's obviously a common design approach to build bridges that don't look like they can hold up their own weight.

Towering Arch Bridge In Taiwan Suddenly Collapses
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/taiwan-bridge-collapse-yilan_n_5d92e065e4b0e9e76051ea13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ccording to the company that designed the 18-meter-high (nearly 60 feet) high bridge, MAA Consultants, it’s the only single-span arch bridge in Taiwan supported by cables and the second single arch-cable steel bridge in the world.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', 'I')t's obviously a common design approach to build bridges that don't look like they can hold up their own weight.

Towering Arch Bridge In Taiwan Suddenly Collapses
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/taiwan-bridge-collapse-yilan_n_5d92e065e4b0e9e76051ea13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ccording to the company that designed the 18-meter-high (nearly 60 feet) high bridge, MAA Consultants, it’s the only single-span arch bridge in Taiwan supported by cables and the second single arch-cable steel bridge in the world.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', '
')This is the motif of Western Civilization that it is just floating on air and ephemeral.

[jedrider]

I guess the most famous bridge collapse that kicked off bridge collapses (in modern times):

Washington-Tacoma Bridge Collapse Video
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=washington+tacoma+bridge+collapse&qs=AS&pq=washington+tacoma+bri&sc=5-21&cvid=3E5A79DA23004C339987516FA4C56FE8&sp=1&ghc=1&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dwashington%2btacoma%2bbridge%2bcollapse%26qs%3dAS%26pq%3dwashington%2btacoma%2bbri%26sc%3d5-21%26cvid%3d3E5A79DA23004C339987516FA4C56FE8%26FORM%3dQBLH%26sp%3d1%26ghc%3d1&view=detail&mmscn=vwrc&mid=1CAD27C9722319D772261CAD27C9722319D77226&FORM=WRVORC

Not a bridge, but I commuted across the Oakland elevated freeway for a year and I never stopped feeling a discomfort traveling on (and under) such a precarious structure.

Oakland Bay Area Bridge and Freeway Collapse
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=oakland+bridge+collapse+video&view=detail&mid=9CBB436DB487198560149CBB436DB48719856014&FORM=VIRE

[Cog]

Most bridges don't collapse. They transport millions of people a year across them. Even bridges built a century ago don't collapse. I know the doomers believe otherwise but there it is.

[jedrider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'M')ost bridges don't collapse. They transport millions of people a year across them. Even bridges built a century ago don't collapse. I know the doomers believe otherwise but there it is.

[Pops]

I remember watching the live helicopter footage of the Loma Prieta quake and was shocked to see the bridge and embarcadero collapse. I'm over at the tv pointing everytime they flew past because the national anchors didn't know what they were seeing I guess and those weren't mentioned for quite a while.

I thought you'd be talking about the Tiawan bridge
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2019/1 ... op-bdk.cnn

[tita]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'M')ost bridges don't collapse. They transport millions of people a year across them. Even bridges built a century ago don't collapse. I know the doomers believe otherwise but there it is.

[jedrider]

This is the Hard Rock Hotel Building collapse in New Orleans.

OSHA cites 'willful' and 'serious' safety violations
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/h ... 943438001/

Take that! Slap on the hand, $154K.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')easlip Engineering, based in the New Orleans suburb of Metairie, was found to have committed both “serious” and “willful” violations and was fined $154,214. OSHA's findings included that “floor beams on the 16th floor were under-designed in load capacity” and “structural steel connections were inadequately designed, reviewed or approved,” the latter a “willful” violation.

[Newfie]

Yup, engineers sometimes screw the pooch. And sometimes it’s willful. Other times it’s just stupid. Saw it my whole career. Most to the time it just wastes money. Occasionally it kills folks.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'Y')up, engineers sometimes screw the pooch. And sometimes it’s willful. Other times it’s just stupid. Saw it my whole career. Most to the time it just wastes money. Occasionally it kills folks.

[Newfie]

Out,

In one sense you are correct. But then there is the other sense, the regulations come about for 2 reasons.
1) When there is a failure there is pressure to “Do something” so some regulation gets passed.

2) Standards are often regulate by trade organizations which are in turn manipulated by manufacturers to their own benefit. Not unlike lobbies in DC. So sometimes standards make sense, and sometimes they don’t. This can be seen when comparing standards between different regions, like the USA and Europe.

Then there are the professional organizations which regulate who can be Professional Engineers. Supposedly they are all about insuring high professional standards and weeding out the bad apples. Mostly they are about gatekeeping, making it hard to join the club and then regulating how the pie is sliced. It is extremely rare for a state PE board to find a technical rules violation.