[onlooker]

Actually, yes it is true that our bodies crave certain "bad" foods and we can allow laziness to become habitual. But my point was that feeling energetic and healthy translates to feeling better mentally as the opposite tends to depress us and bring us down. At least that is my experience

[KaiserJeep]

No argument. But the process of feeling energetic involves depriving yourself of rich foods and excess calories for a prolonged period, and then exercising daily until exhausted. Then when you have lost all the excess fatty weight, kicked your metabolism into a higher gear, and built lean muscle mass, you will indeed feel better mentaly and physically.

But the diet faddists - which term describes the majority of people - are going on and off different diet plans, continuing to eat too much and exercise too little, and are endlessly looking for what is best described as "f--king magic", a way to eat until sated, perform minor and unstrenuous activity, and lose weight hand over fist and without hardship. 80 percent are overweight and out of shape, the percentage has been creeping up as the population ages and Boomers retire.

But the steady stream of diet books, videos, meal plans, and the relentless marketing of "f--king magic" continues unabated. I made myself unpopular in this thread because I pointed out that this is total BS. To get healthy, you eat less and exercise more. No magic needed, and none exists anyway.

I never said it was easy, because it is in fact very hard to do successfully. But you need to understand the facts, and the facts would be that "f--king magic" does not exist, no matter how hard or how long you look.

[onlooker]

I agree fully with all you just said K. And the reward will be a healthy body that many I think do not fully appreciate until they lack it. I would only add that a whole food (not processed foods) balance diverse diet stressing fruits & vegetables also affords great benefits. So am I health nut? No. Just recognizing that its easier to be unhealthy than healthy especially for those of us over 50

[Tanada]

Researchers are trying to overcome the big pharma media blitz in favor of putting the entire world on statin drugs. Quite a bit more at link below quote.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Study Links Statins to 300+ Adverse Health Effects
A new study finds the chemical war against cholesterol using statin drugs was justified through statistical deception and the cover up of over 300 adverse health effects documented in the biomedical literature.

Better safe than sorry, right? This is the logic that defines the grasp that the pharmaceutical company has on our psyche. Perhaps your mother, father, brother, and boyfriend have been recommended cholesterol-lowering medication, just to help hedge their bets around a possible chest-clutching demise. In fact, recent guidelines have expanded the pool of potential statin medication recipients, so that there seem to be very few of us walking around with acceptable levels of artery-clogging sludge.

But how is it that drug companies got a foothold? How have they convinced doctors that their patients need these medications, and need them now? They are banking (literally) on the fact that you haven’t brushed up on statistics in a while.
Getting Tricky with Data
It turns out that a common sleight of hand in the medical literature is the popularization of claims around “relative risk reduction” which can make an effect appear meaningful, when the “absolute risk reduction” reveals its insignificance. In this way, 100 people are treated with statin medications to offer 1 person benefit, and the change from a 2% to a 1% heart attack rate is billed a 50% reduction rather than a 1% improvement, which is what it actually is.

Perhaps this would still qualify as better safe than sorry if these medications weren’t some of the most toxic chemicals willfully ingested, with at least 300 adverse health effects evident in the published literature so far, with at least 28 distinct modes of toxicity, including:

Muscle damage (myotoxicity): view 80 studies here.
Nerve damage (neurotoxicity): view 54 studies here.
Liver damage (hepatoxocity): view 32 studies here.
Endocrine disruption: view 16 studies here.
Cancer-promoting: view 9 studies here.
Diabetes-promoting: view 8 studies here.
Cardiovascular-damaging: view 15 studies here.
Birth defect causing (teratogenic): view 11 studies here.

Beyond the known fact that statin drugs deplete the body of two essential nutrients: coenzyme Q10 and selenium, they are also highly myotoxic and neurotoxic. Because the heart is one of the most nerve-saturated muscles in the human body, these two modes of toxicity combined represent a ‘perfect storm’ of cardiotoxicity – a highly ironic fact considering statin drugs are promoted as having ‘life-saving’ cardioprotective properties.

[Ibon]

Years ago I tested for high cholestrol while living in Thailand, that was before I started the project here in Panama. For $ 100
I was able to secure a 1 year supply of Zocor from Merck in Australia that the local pharmacy in Thailand offered. I was thinking of all my poor friends in the USA paying thousands for the same drug.

ANd then I decided to stop taking them after two years as I arrived at the conclusion that the whole statin drug thing was a huge scam.

Beware. You first get scammed into thinking you need the drugs

And then you get scammed having to pay ridiculous prices

Life in America !

One big scam

No wonder we elected the ultimate scammer as head of state.

And we will probably vote him in again because Americans love to get scammed up the ass .

[dissident]

There is no way that a drug which targets coenzyme Q10 is a good idea for any sort of treatment. It is the modern equivalent of blood letting. Coenzyme Q10 is at the core of a vast array of metabolic chemical pathways. Gunning for it is like blowing off the head to remove a head louse.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3178961/

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') Cholesterol is a compensatory mechanism for excess trans fat in the body in addition to its normal roles as a hormone prerequisite and structural repair aid. By limiting endogenous cholesterol production as Statin medication does you limit the bodies capability to deal with the trans fats already stored in your system and those eaten in processed food every day. The FDA allows food manufacturers to label foods as 0 grams trans fat so long as 'one serving' is 'less than 0.5 grams'. In practice this means some manufacturers reduced the serving size enough to fall below the threshold without making any substitution for the use of trans fats in their process. In Europe they could not get away with this because the government requires nutrition labels list all ingredients as part of the standard quantity of 100 gram

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', ' ')80 percent are overweight and out of shape, the percentage has been creeping up as the population ages and Boomers retire.

But the steady stream of diet books, videos, meal plans, and the relentless marketing of "f--king magic" continues unabated. I made myself unpopular in this thread because I pointed out that this is total BS. To get healthy, you eat less and exercise more. No magic needed, and none exists anyway.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'Y')ears ago I tested for high cholestrol while living in Thailand, that was before I started the project here in Panama. For $ 100
I was able to secure a 1 year supply of Zocor from Merck in Australia that the local pharmacy in Thailand offered. I was thinking of all my poor friends in the USA paying thousands for the same drug.

ANd then I decided to stop taking them after two years as I arrived at the conclusion that the whole statin drug thing was a huge scam.

Beware. You first get scammed into thinking you need the drugs

And then you get scammed having to pay ridiculous prices

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')reat to know as I love eggs

[onlooker]

Thanks Roc. In one respect, I don't think you can go wrong. The more natural foods you consume the better and conversely the more artificial processed the worse

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he more natural foods you consume the better and conversely the more artificial processed the worse

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '.') You need to take responsibility for your own health, look at the data, and insist on having a doctor who will work with you and look at the data too......................,

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '.') You need to take responsibility for your own health, look at the data, and insist on having a doctor who will work with you and look at the data too......................,

[Cog]

Obesity is a key factor in several metabolic diseases as well as increased odds of developing thirteen types of cancers. Knowing this I changed my diet and this is not a fad diet but a diet I'm sticking with until they put me in the ground. I eat meat, fresh fruit and vegetables. That's it. No processed foods, sugar, and no grains. Its sort of a modified Atkins diet since I do get more carbs than they recommend but its in the form of sugars from fruits. Since February I'm lost 53 pounds. Was 249 lbs and today at 196 lbs. Exercise was not a factor in this weight loss although I do walk an hour three or four times a week to keep up muscle strength.

We have a saying in our weight loss group. You can not outrun a spoon. I have found that those people who are obese, who try to simply do portion control, have a real problem losing weight since they are hungry all the time and end of binge eating. The key factor, IMO, is carbs. Eliminate or severely limit carbs and eat meats, fruits, and veggies and you won't be hungry all the time and you will lose weight.

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'O')besity is a key factor in several metabolic diseases as well as increased odds of developing thirteen types of cancers. Knowing this I changed my diet and this is not a fad diet but a diet I'm sticking with until they put me in the ground. I eat meat, fresh fruit and vegetables. That's it. No processed foods, sugar, and no grains. Its sort of a modified Atkins diet since I do get more carbs than they recommend but its in the form of sugars from fruits. Since February I'm lost 53 pounds. Was 249 lbs and today at 196 lbs. Exercise was not a factor in this weight loss although I do walk an hour three or four times a week to keep up muscle strength.

We have a saying in our weight loss group. You can not outrun a spoon. I have found that those people who are obese, who try to simply do portion control, have a real problem losing weight since they are hungry all the time and end of binge eating. The key factor, IMO, is carbs. Eliminate or severely limit carbs and eat meats, fruits, and veggies and you won't be hungry all the time and you will lose weight.

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')es, the Paleo diet that our ancestors practiced for a long time

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')es, the Paleo diet that our ancestors practiced for a long time