[Cog]

$5 billion is trivial compared to the massive cost of illegals being in this country. A wall is not designed to be impenetrable but to slow people down so they can be arrested and deported. There are indeed places where a physical barrier is needed.

This has come down to a pissing contest of a Democrat party that is opposing something simply because the president and a lot of Republicans want it. That is not a good way to make policy.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '$')5 billion is trivial compared to the massive cost of illegals being in this country. A wall is not designed to be impenetrable but to slow people down so they can be arrested and deported. There are indeed places where a physical barrier is needed.

This has come down to a pissing contest of a Democrat party that is opposing something simply because the president and a lot of Republicans want it. That is not a good way to make policy.

[Cog]

So your solution is to have open borders? Wow

[yellowcanoe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '$')5 billion is trivial compared to the massive cost of illegals being in this country. A wall is not designed to be impenetrable but to slow people down so they can be arrested and deported. There are indeed places where a physical barrier is needed.

This has come down to a pissing contest of a Democrat party that is opposing something simply because the president and a lot of Republicans want it. That is not a good way to make policy.

[KaiserJeep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GASMON', 'A') wall is no good - the buggers will climb over it.

I live on an island - so the buggers get here by rubber dinghy.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... coast.html

Gas

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'S')o your solution is to have open borders? Wow

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f illegal aliens can't get jobs here, do you really think many will want to be here illegally for long?

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f illegal aliens can't get jobs here, do you really think many will want to be here illegally for long?

[KaiserJeep]

I have a solution that could be imposed by an executive order from Trump, very cheaply.

First, we designate the first two miles adjacent to the border as a "No Man's Land". Anybody in that zone is a lawbreaker. Now we enforce the border via armed drone aircraft, capable of delivering both anti-vehicle missiles and napalm for pedestrians. Who needs an expensive wall?

Problem solved. Use the established crossing gates, or die. Completely legal and not without precedent on many existing national borders.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'I') have a solution that could be imposed by an executive order from Trump, very cheaply.

First, we designate the first two miles adjacent to the border as a "No Man's Land". Anybody in that zone is a lawbreaker. Now we enforce the border via armed drone aircraft, capable of delivering both anti-vehicle missiles and napalm for pedestrians. Who needs an expensive wall?

Problem solved. Use the established crossing gates, or die. Completely legal and not without precedent on many existing national borders.

[KaiserJeep]

Respectively, not any sort of a problem, and very cheap overall.

Drone aircraft no longer cost millions of dollars, they have come down to the tens of thousands range. We don't need state-of-the-art, military grade drones, just drones good enough to carry missiles and bombs. They can even be silent and pollution-free, electric fanjets.

What part of "No Man's Land" do you not understand? NEVER a single lawsuit, no collection of bodies, no entry by anybody, ever. If the ACLU hires a collection of mercenaries to enter the zone, we fry them. If the ACLU enters the zone in a 1000-strong caravan of card-carrying lawyers, we fry them. (Heck, I would pay a pay-per-view to see lawyers fry.) If US Democrat Congress-critters and Senabores create a protest caravan, we fry them. No collection of bones, no proof of death, nothing ever.

As for the sensors that collect data, are you unaware that the DHS already has a fleet of thousands of tethered blimps with RADAR, LIDAR, and infrared sensors? Or that many satellites exist?

Ruthless death from above, no exceptions, no body count, no video records, get it?

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', '
')Ruthless death from above, no exceptions, no body count, no video records, get it?

[KaiserJeep]

My off-the-cuff estimate is less than half the cost of the existing border enforcement outside of the legal entry points. For those entry points themselves, as the only remaining entry points, perhaps 25% more money. Also figure that with 100% enforcement, the detention centers can gradually be defunded as the need for such declines.

There are other costs involved. For example, large amounts of drugs now enter the US using lithium-battery electric submarines. Each generation becomes less detectable than the last. The USCG anti-submarine efforts would have to ramp up if immigrants begin to enter via subs.

Still, a net win financially, especially when one counts the numerous savings from the adverse impact of literally millions of non-English-speaking Hispanic and Chinese immigrants on US social relief and government welfare systems, not to mention law enforcement.

[Pops]

An additional 1,300 mile barrier on top of the 700 there will not solve the problem of a 1 million person backlog of people seeking asylum at ports (now on furlough BTW)
It won't solve the problem of drug and human traffickers because most come through the ports
It won't solve the gang problems because they are mostly street level retail drug competitors, extortionists, other crime
It won't solve the problem that half of the illegals are people overstaying their visa

The wall was just a campaign device to get trump "the great builder" to talk about immigration and mexican rapists and white fear. In the end the only thing walled in is trump who's not given himself a face saving out. The great negotiator traded away $25B for a shutdown.

But he was voted in no matter how much of a fluke. The dems should do something about the actual problems at the ports of entry and include a couple of billion to put up some slats since that's what his constituents voted for. We aren't republicans after all.

[Newfie]

Well that’s the rub Pops, reasonable folks from vilify parties should sit down and come up with a reasonable plan.

It could start with actually enforcing the work rules we already have in place.

But both sides are playing for the spotlight.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I')t could start with actually enforcing the work rules we already have in place.

[Cog]

My reaction if food stamps are cut off.