[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '&')quot;Yes, the pedestrian was stupid and was at fault. "

No she wasn't. She was crossing a street. The fault lies with constant pandering and self-justification of the media and the stooges who support technology blindly.

Thoughtful and standardized regulation have no bearing on this incident. Motion detectors can not . . . and will not replace the judgement only a human is capable of. My dog is more intelligent then that Uber vehicle. But my dog is not allowed behind the wheel of a large, dangerous and potentially deadly weapon that a car is in the wrong hands.

Uber should be shut down.

[Sys1]

Perhabs some will find my opinion shoking, but I take every new reporting someone dead because of a self driving car as a benediction. It means that AI is still unable to steal jobs from truck and taxi drivers.

Don't forget that the ultimate purpose of self driving cars is not to save lives : It's to save MONEY.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sys1', 'P')erhabs some will find my opinion shoking, but I take every new reporting someone dead because of a self driving car as a benediction. It means that AI is still unable to steal jobs from truck and taxi drivers.

Don't forget that the ultimate purpose of self driving cars is not to save lives : It's to save MONEY.

[Cog]

Regardless of how smart the AI is there are still physical limits in play here. If you walk right in front of car, even the smartest AI can't stop a speeding car on a dime. That was not the case here, but you can not have perfect safety AI or not.

[KaiserJeep]

One. More. Time.

A perfect AI is NOT REQUIRED. All that is needed is a fatality rate lower than a human driver. I think we are already there, by a considerable margin. In fact I think we should roll out the tech and monitor the lives saved.

FWIW, I saw the Uber car video in real time and full screen last night. I do not believe that a human driver could have avoided this accident either. There was a woman wheeling a bike across the road at night. No lights, no reflectors, dark clothing, and no sense - because the approaching car had low beams on and would have been visible to the bicyclist.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', '
')FWIW, I saw the Uber car video in real time and full screen last night. I do not believe that a human driver could have avoided this accident either.

[Cog]

Link to video. I agree, no human could have stopped in time. Question does remain. Did the AI attempt to stop at all?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTXd5bfX_GI

[BahamasEd]

So I guess the car had no forward looking radar?

I saw on TV the other day an ad that showed a car with a human driver that automatically stops if someone/thing is in front of the car.

if it can't 'see' a person sized object moving into it's path in any lighting conditions then it's not ready for prime time.

Edit: and it doesn't matter if 9 out of 10 human drivers would have hit her, the computer must be better, a lot better.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BahamasEd', '
')Edit: and it doesn't matter if 9 out of 10 human drivers would have hit her, the computer must be better, a lot better.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BahamasEd', '
')Edit: and it doesn't matter if 9 out of 10 human drivers would have hit her, the computer must be better, a lot better.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BahamasEd', 'S')o I guess the car had no forward looking radar?

I saw on TV the other day an ad that showed a car with a human driver that automatically stops if someone/thing is in front of the car.

if it can't 'see' a person sized object moving into it's path in any lighting conditions then it's not ready for prime time.

[BahamasEd]

I do have a lot of problems with self-driving taxis, not so much with private self-driving cars.

I know that the tech is out there is make a great self-driving car, it's just that the COST, in both up front dollars & the electrify needed to run it, on top of the cost of the current basic car makes no sense. Your taking a Car, adding at least one super computer and a bunch of new sensors to each car. So your basic small car goes from $20,000 to $30,000 in base price.

Next you need BTU's to run the computer, sensors etc, so your burning more fuel and getting less MPG than a normal car or cutting the time needed before recharging.

Now as a private car, with you paying for it and taking the risk if things go wrong I have no problem what-so-ever.

As public TAXIS I have many more problems with it starting with who's going to be cleaning it between riders? I do my best not to use public transportation, but I do use public restrooms and I can think of reasons to inspect any taxis before I get into it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o matter how good they get they will still strike deer and turkeys that move in front of them much to close for the brakes to come to a full stop. A few really dumb humans will also manage it as well.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BahamasEd', 'I') do have a lot of problems with self-driving taxis, not so much with private self-driving cars.

..........

Next you need BTU's to run the computer, sensors etc, so your burning more fuel and getting less MPG than a normal car or cutting the time needed before recharging.

[Newfie]

I don’t know if a driverless train control system. There are a variety of short haul things like airport people movers or coal hauling systems. It a truly driverless SYSTEM, with crossovers and switches is pretty rare. I recently worked on the OHare people mover and that has complexity but nothing remotely similar to driverless cars or an autonomous system. Washington METRO and PATCO were supposed to be driverless but are not. Many billions have been spent trying to implement Positive Train Control which is orders of magnitude less complex.

So I find it interesting that after a century of development, and large amounts of private capital, in a much less complex field autonomous driving has not been achieved. So all of a sudden we make this Great Leap Forward? I think not.

And that is not to mention shipping. Maybe someone could sell the technology to the Navy.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
')And that is not to mention shipping. Maybe someone could sell the technology to the Navy.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sys1', '
')Don't forget that the ultimate purpose of self driving cars is not to save lives : It's to save MONEY.

[KaiserJeep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sys1', '
')Don't forget that the ultimate purpose of self driving cars is not to save lives : It's to save MONEY.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sys1', '
')Don't forget that the ultimate purpose of self driving cars is not to save lives : It's to save MONEY.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sys1', '
')Don't forget that the ultimate purpose of self driving cars is not to save lives : It's to save MONEY.