Killing

by **The_Virginian** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 04:21:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e are all guilty of murder for hire of course in many different ways.

by **Doly** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 04:29:51

I think I could kill to save my own life, or the lives of my children. I don't know if this would extend to the lives of other people, but I doubt it.

Anyway, I don't think I'll ever be in that sort of situation.

by **k_semler** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 04:41:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'F')ishing for what? Are you telling me Aaron is a Federalie??

by **k_semler** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 05:19:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', 'W')ords are so easy. I think many have the wrong impression of killing due to movies, where it goes "bang" and somebody drops dead.

In reality it is a painfully, dirty, disgusting, sad, absolutely gut-wrenching process if somebody dies. Many victims fecate, urinate, bleed, throw up, utter the weirdest sounds, keep shaking in uncontrolled manner before they finally breathe the last time.

The worst and most despicable enemy suddenly is remembered as this most beautiful living, breathing, human being, in contrast to this pile of spiritless shit that he is now, and that we all will become. It shatters the worldview even of the strongest, coldest people.

by **eastbay** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 05:33:06

I shot a bird with a BB gun as a boy and felt enormous remorse.

PMS,

Me too. I was about 11 years old. I shot a small bird in the eye. I've never fired a weapon at or intentionally hurt an animal since then. And unless it becomes required for food for my family, or if I see some ferocious dog attacking someone, or maybe to end an animals terminal suffering, I never will.

.... back to the topic... self-defense only.

I will without hesitation use a firearm or other deadly weapon to stop a human threat against another. I have assorted weapons continually ready, as apparently do many (most??) others here.

by **Antimatter** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 08:55:26

What if you are not doing the killing?

For example, in a hypothetical situation, would you accept the death of 10 African's for a new dinner set, or SUV, or guns and ammo, or a harem of attractive young women, whatever floats your boat?

I think a lot of people are capable of pretty bad things if the consequences of their actions are out of sight, out of mind - myself included - as opposed to pulling the trigger on someone at close range for example. One of those things we don't like to talk about.

by **Aaron** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 09:04:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'F')ishing for what? Are you telling me Aaron is a Federalie??

by **Jake_old** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 11:53:37

I'd kill for a gun

by **MonteQuest** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 12:19:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'F')ishing for what? Are you telling me Aaron is a Federalie??

by **threadbear** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 12:25:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'W')hat would I kill for? A trip to Napa Valley, a pair of Guccis with a matching bag and a really good tan. Oh, and I'd kill for a reiki session and relationship advice from my favorite guru. But that's just me-- just spiritual I guess.

Seriously though. I would kill for sport.

by **BrownDog** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 14:19:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'U')se proper escalation of force, and stop at the level nessecary to eliminate the threat/properly evaluate the situation. Don't just shoot the asshole, (alleged asshole that is), make GOD DAMN SURE that the force you are about to apply is absolutly called for. If the threat does not subside, and you have properly evaluated the situation at hand given the current conditions, then you have every right, (under WA State law anyway), to use any reasonable force to stop the threat, even if that force ends up being lethal. Just renember: Proper escalation of force. Use no more force than requred to end a situation, and no less than requred. Try and talk them down first, (if under direct threat skip to step two. Then draw your weapon, (MAKE SURE READY TO FIRE), and warn the aggressor that you are prepared to use lethal force if nessecary, and order him to lay down his arm and step away from it. If he fails to do so, repeat the warning in a more severe overtone. If that fails. Fire a non-lethal shot if possible to just incapacitate the agressor but not kill him. If that does not succeed, the agressor is obviously intent on commiting a violent felony. Escalate the force as you deem nessecary for the situation, and the statutes in your state allow. Just renember, if you are going threaten to use lethal force, you had better be damned well ready to apply that force if requred. Never draw your weapon if you are not prepared to discharge it, and never point it at any object, (or person), that you are not willing to destroy.

Keep your finger OUT OF THE TRIGGER GAURD until you have confirmed your target and evalutated possible over-penetaration/ricochet. Never sqeeze that trigger until you are ABSOLUTLY CERTIAN that this remains the only solution left to spare life or limb. ALWAYS RENEMBER: BULLETS CAN NOT BE TAKEN BACK!!

by **holmes** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 14:38:12

I hate killing. But when you live amid a culture of death that worships death and turning life into dead inanimate objects and tossing it all in landfills of death at exponential rates. Where a piece of art or an automobile has more value placed on it then creations of life, then killing might need to be in order for protecting the last vestiges of life and limb. Life is love. love is life. So I see killing as a neccessary evil as defensive action of a paradigm shift. 100% defensive. Like a hoard of humans that depend 100% on culture of death handouts mobbing an organic tribal farming community. You better kill.

by **k_semler** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 18:28:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Antimatter', 'W')hat if you are not doing the killing?

For example, in a hypothetical situation, would you accept the death of 10 African's for a new dinner set, or SUV, or guns and ammo, or a harem of attractive young women, whatever floats your boat?

I think a lot of people are capable of pretty bad things if the consequences of their actions are out of sight, out of mind - myself included - as opposed to pulling the trigger on someone at close range for example. One of those things we don't like to talk about.

by **k_semler** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 18:33:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')Semler, if you don't mind me asking--this stepfather who was a meth addict--Why did this particularly enrage you, was it because he could have turned your mom into an addict too?

by **eastbay** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 18:35:29

Every person who owns and drives a crappy gas mileage personal vehicle is sanctioning the killing of thousands of innocent Iraqi's and American soldiers in the current Stupid Oil War.

So for all of them killing is easy. They don't see a single drop of blood. Kill away dude. Kill for comfort. Enjoy the ride.

by **Free** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 18:43:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Antimatter', 'W')hat if you are not doing the killing?

For example, in a hypothetical situation, would you accept the death of 10 African's for a new dinner set, or SUV, or guns and ammo, or a harem of attractive young women, whatever floats your boat?

I think a lot of people are capable of pretty bad things if the consequences of their actions are out of sight, out of mind - myself included - as opposed to pulling the trigger on someone at close range for example. One of those things we don't like to talk about.

by **MonteQuest** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 22:52:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Antimatter', 'W')hat if you are not doing the killing?

For example, in a hypothetical situation, would you accept the death of 10 African's for a new dinner set, or SUV, or guns and ammo, or a harem of attractive young women, whatever floats your boat?

I think a lot of people are capable of pretty bad things if the consequences of their actions are out of sight, out of mind - myself included - as opposed to pulling the trigger on someone at close range for example. One of those things we don't like to talk about.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 23:00:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', ' ') Remember Aaron's Gruesome Jewelry thread?

And we have the gall to scream about the sanctity of life and human ideals while this goes on?

by **MonteQuest** » Thu 21 Jul 2005, 23:09:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', ' ') Remember Aaron's Gruesome Jewelry thread?

And we have the gall to scream about the sanctity of life and human ideals while this goes on?

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